The Art of Walking Away II

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Re: Walk away, but still be loving

Originally posted by Roly
My best advice to anyone who's still bitter over a break up, angry, or sworn to shut out their exes in their lives is forgive them and still love them from a friendly level, surround them with empathy and understanding.
Hell, I've had some nasty break ups but I was able to forgive my exes for their " flaws" and at least keep in good terms with all of them.
We tend to feel in general that if we were to stay angry, get revenge, " get even" and shut people out of our lives that we'd tend to feel better, but the rest is far from you.
I know it might sound corny, but only through love, forgiveness, compassion and understanding that we may find peace and move on.

" You can't move on, if you can't let go." - Steven Dimasco
I'll add a little something to that. Be sure you have a hottie all over you, when you are surrounding them with this empathy and understanding. Living well is the best revenge.
 

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Yep, Jack, you said it!

I also can't emphasize not only bouncing back to another gal (if your inner game is intact) but be SEEN with other women by the ex-gf.

Women have an innate thought pattern that when they dump a guy, he is wallowing in misery. (Sadly, in my AFC days I did just that.) Women want you to suffer. When you're not suffering and you're seen with another -- preferably better -- woman, it just riles them up to no end.

Not only is this beautiful revenge, but if men did this more it would help change the stupid female dynamic in this country that men aren't moving on with their lives after a breakup.

Be seen with women, it helps you in so many ways.
 

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Originally posted by WestCoaster
I believe in walking away before forgiveness. Sorry, but I think forgiveness is for marriage and engaged couples. Early on if you're crapped on you'll be crapped on in the future. Forgiving bad behavior enables that person to commit more bad behavior.

Walk away ... nothing bothers a woman more than a MAN who can walk away. Well, actually one thing bothers them more: seeing the MAN with another better woman. That drives them nuts.
Yes, this hit the nail on the head. When a man walks away, the woman is bound and determined to do one of three things.

A. "Good bye and good riddance" She didnt give two sh*ts about you, and you were cramping her style anyway. (75%)

B. Oh, well, lets just be good friends then, and I can call you and tell you about my latest sexual escapades with other men. You can provide me meals, drinks, company and emotional support, but the other guys get the pu$$y. (20%)

C. It will drive them nuts, and they will want you back, no matter what. (5%)
 

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Originally posted by KarmaSutra
Accept my thanks to you brothers who understand where I'm coming from.

I won't lie and say it's been the easiest road for me to pave but it's enriched me moreso than anything I've done thus far in 32 years.

Funny thing is, Once she (Ex-wife) heard through the grapevine that I was out with women younger and much prettier than she, Her attraction towards me went through the roof. She came by my apartment and fell on the floor sobbing and saying how sorry she was and how much she wants her husband back.

I saw this for what it was, A ploy to get back what she realized was the best thing that she'd ever had. I didn't take the bait and kindly escorted her to my bed and did things to her that are illegal in Thailand.

When I was done firing hot clam chowder up her dirtchute, I asked her to please leave and never come back or I would call the authorities and have her arrested for trespassing.

What I know now is the more I believe in myself and my abilities
the happier and more stable I become.


Props to you guys out there livin',

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:cheer: Fantastic story, I love the part about the other women and the grapevine. It's all true.
 

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Originally posted by JackPrescott
:cheer: Fantastic story, I love the part about the other women and the grapevine. It's all true.

It is absolutely 100% true and drives women nutts because they think they missed out on something. Ergo, They try harder than ever and nothing will get in thier way, no religious conviction, morality; nothing. Women are so spiteful towards each other it's pathetic. But we have to use this to our advantage.

To be true, I had let it slip where I and my flavor of the day would be on my now ex-wifes and mine wedding anniversary knowing full well that a certain number of her friends would be there.

It was quite empowering and exhillerating watching her grovel on my kitchen floor, remorsefully sobbing. Like I said , I performed every depravity to her that I should have done while we were married.

It's kinda like Fast Eddie said to Vincent that "Money won is twice as sweet as money earned." That's how I felt.


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I've seen you guys post many reasons why it's hard for men to walk away, despite being in horrendous situations, except one very important reason. One of THE most important reasons, in my humble opinion.

Bottom line - Most men don't want to endure the thought of another man invading his territory; another man laying his woman. It doesn't matter if a man's woman is the most evil creature on the planet, a man doesn't want to endure that thought. People (men and women) are territorial, and people find it difficult to walk away because of the aformentioned reason. Many of you may disagree, but really think about it for 11 seconds. Some people would STILL feel a twinge of jealously if they were to see an ex out with someone else years later, so you can imagine what that internal struggle must be like when the wound is still fresh. Fortunately, women endure the same internal battles/demons, so I say do the smart thing and gain the upperhand by leaving the relationship first. Wicked? Perhaps, but thems the breaks.

In my opinion, he who walks away first leaves with the relationship with the most power. And leaving with the most power and dignity is akin to winning the break-up war. But if you really want to get your hands dirty, engage in psychological warfare, and introduce the trifecta into the equation. Leave the relationship 1st, without closure (which is key), and without a trace. This gem of a maneauver is akin to dropping a nuclear or bilogical weapon in the break-up war, and it can take a person years to recover. It's but one in many steps of what I like to call The Anti Dr Phil's "Medeival Torture Methods" - aka extreme psychological warfare. Closure and forgiveness are NOT an option.

So with that being the ugly and smelly facts, I will behoove me to leave first, if I can help it. The person who chooses to ride it out is usually left with the most emotionally baggage/battle scars, and their self esteem takes an even greater hit. Not only will said individual be left with the unnerving feeling that they didn't have the strength to leave first, they are left toiling in emotional uncertainty wondering what you're doing, "who you're doing", and why you didn't attempt to work things out. Their self esteem takes a hit, and it leaves them with a feeling of lowered self worth. A feeling of "he loved me the least because he had the power to walk away first - with a trace". Nothing lowers a persons self esteem quicker than dealing with feelings of rejection. And there is no feeling of rejection worse than being jilted by a former lover. Knowing all of that, a person would be an absolute fool to not leave first.

Not only would I leave, I'd dissappear like Keyser Soza (Usual Suspects), never to be seen or heard from again. And if she did see you again months or years later??? Take that time in between to self improve to ridiculous lengths, which would drive the stake home even further. It's a subconcious way of saying, "not only did I not need you, I didn't respect you enough to say goodbye". And as a kick in the tail on the way out, "I got even better without you".

Is it an @sshole move? Yep. But no one ever said war and breakups weren't ugly.

That said, if a person is married or has children, of course this would be a tad hard-core...but for general relationships??? I am unmerciful.
 
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hahahah.

anti phil you crack me up.

what you described is what 90% of women do!

i gotta be honest though, just because most women have no shame or sense of honor, doesn't mean I have to lower myself to their standards.

if im done with a woman I'll tell her straight to her face as to why that is.

If she's been playing games, putting distance in the relationship, or im suspecting that she might be getting ready to bail, I'll simply tell her that the relationship isn't working for me anymore and that I'm moving on. I'll wish her the best and let her know that she doesn't have what I'm looking for in a committed relationship.

now, i can do this because when i make up my mind to move on, I do.

ultimately your method works and if you want to hurt a woman more than you have to its fine. most women use that tactic because they don't have the BALLS to face a man and tell him the truth.

the only downside with your tactic is that they will eventually get over you, potentially find a decent guy, and always remember you as the *sshole and wish you the worst.

I use to think that would be cool. but now im thinking that i've got no desire to leave a wake of emotional wreckage in my wake (even if most women have no problem doing so).

I think if guys could just accept when a woman is screwing with them and simply walk away in a calm and mature manner, everything would be fine.

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joekerr: I respect your opinion...I really do, but our tactics our different on this. You said:

"they will eventually get over you, potentially find a decent guy, and always remember you as the *sshole and wish you the worst".


Who cares what she thinks or does after the break-up. Break- up means exactly that - Clean frickin break - you do your thing, and I do mine. And what you fail to realize is the power walking away without giving a person closer - disappearing like Keyser Sosa - "and just like that, he was gone" (Kevin Spacey's voice). I don't care how great the guy is she will have met later in life, the fact that you left her first; the fact that you one-upped her, and the fact that you seared brain with an emotional scar, will NEVER sit well with her. It's always going to be in the back of her head, festering in her subconscious like a germ. That my friend, is called power. Wicked? Yes. But power nonetheless. And power is the name of the game. It's ain't about not having enough balls to tell her why you left, it's STRICTLY about power. You left on your terms, when YOU wanted to leave, and without a hint of closure -aka powerless.

Let me give you a perfect example. When I was 6 years old, I got into a fight with a guy named Micheal Simmons. The fight was evenly matched until he landed a power shot square to my right eye. I was dazed and confused - left seeing stars and was unable to continue. I wanted no more, and Michael won the fight. Do you realize that 26 years later, a part of me is still pissed I lost that fight. I was 6 years old!!! Now, if I'm still somewhat bothered that I lost a fight a fight at 6 years old over young alpha male playground supremecy, what makes you think a grown woman is going to get over you breaking up with her first, and never giving her closer, DESPITE falling for another great guy? Can't happen Cap'n. The mind and the heart plays by a different set of rules, and time is of no consequence. Could she be happy with another guy?? Sure. But I'll be damned if she still won't get unnerved at the thought of you winning the break-up war in a rout. You will have infected her soul, and once infected, there is no antidote.

That said, every realtionship may not require this level of medeival torture, but when the fight get's nasty (disrespectful), you sometimes have to fight bare knuckle. And as I said, who gives a damn what she may or may not think after the fact. Both of you will have moved on, however you will have the privelege of flying off into the sunset on the wings of knowing you left with all the power and dignity. Better me getting the glory than her in that situation. Break-up wars are ugly, and somebody's gotta lose. They've been that way for tens of thousands of years, and they will continue to be.
 

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I have to interject here. Firstly, I want to say I admire both Brothers J and ADPs' posts. This one in particular holds some weight because I've lived through it.

Allow me to explain:

I was in a long term relationship, together 7 years. married 5. We had the idyllic , WASP life. Although I don't have any biological children, I raised her 2 year old as if she were my own. 3 years into my marriage she had an affair. I knew in my heart but found reasons to convince myself to disbelieve and push on and make things work. I was absolutley terrified of making a choice. The thought of losing everything I had worked hard to achieve was unbearable and I'd convinced myself that it would be easier to disconnect the thought of some guy giving her the passion I once did than doing the right thing, The manly thing and take my chances on my own.

Days went on and I knew I was tumbling into depression. I was slacking in my career, I was overcompensating with booze and porn to shut out the demons in my heart and head. She had become "born again" and began devoting her time to church. It was her idea to try marriage counseling. I was so fvckin passive to everything, I agreed. Any change would be welcome.

Our first session was a meet and greet with the therapist. Just to stir the pot I brought a flask of grey goose to get tipsy and make an azz of myself. Didn't make much progress that first session, mostly, due to my own ignorance.

Second session was quite different. She admitted to the affair. I had not had a drink in about 2 hours so I was relatively sober and it felt as if an airplane has crashed directly into me. It was one thing for me to dis-associate myself from it internally but to hear it as reality was a shock to my system. We talked and tried to make it work. I then began having affairs of my own. I had an epiphany while pleasuring one of my colleagues from work. The epiphany was this, Why am I drolling through my life as if it has no purpose other than provide for a life with nothing but doubt?

I didn't even orgasm but got up, got dressed and left without saying a word. I called an old friend who is an attorney and got his advice regarding divorce. He and I talked over beer and wings and I remember remarking to him about how beautiful and fresh the waitresses were. His response was classic: "Take your balls outta her side of the dresser and be a goddamned man." I did just that. I went home and told her I wanted a divorce. Strange thing happened. She reverted back to the heartless cvnt I knew and loved when I said we'd sell the house and everything in it and split it 50/50. She wanted the house and would do anything to keep it. Including calling her friend at the Sheriffs dept and telling them that I'd beaten her. One thing I never lost was my status as a free man and I wasn't going to change that or toss a guy's salad.

I moved out. Got divorced. Got a great apartment, great friends, you guys and more tail than i can manage. I'm now lending advice and life experience with the other Brothers here and with friends I have in my personal life. I've embraced my role as leader and teacher and relish every minute of it.

Sorry this became so long winded and I wanted to point out that both of your POV's are valid and have legitimacy.


Your pal,

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This is where I fukked up in my last breakup.

I caught her seeing someone else, she lied up and down about it. I kept my eyes open and realized I was being screwed. The final straw was her FORGING her cell phone bill to prove to me she wasn't talking to this guy on the phone till 5 am. That was the last straw and I had to practically use force to get her out of my place that night.

Stupid me....we had tickets to go to Vegas (planned for months) and as a concession to get her to leave my ass alone and stop begging to get me back, I agreed to go on the trip if she would leave me alone for the next couple weeks.

Well, we went to Vegas and had a great time, came back and we were still having sex, meanwhile I told her that a relationship was still out of the question. She kept saying she couldn't keep having sex without being b/f g/f, but kept coming back for more despite the fact.

I sensed a change when I got back from an overseas vacation, and asked her if she was seeing someone. She got pissed and said "NO!" Then I see her three days later with her new guy in a club putting on a little makeout show, just for my "benefit".

I had a few words with her that night, and exchanged a couple of nasty emails, but point is I kept seeing her when I shouldn't have been and I GAVE UP THE POWER.

I had it in my hands, and I gave it up. She had the soft landing by fukking some other dude and I had to watch while she lied to me again then rubbed it in my face. Stupid me.
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Yes, in the process of letting them come back, you are destroying your own backbone.


Yea, the cost of gettin' some from a girl that you dumped isn't worth it in the end. Lesson learned.

On a similar note, does anybody else her have a problem GETTING into relationships with girls simply because there is no desire to exchange your time for sex? My roommate spends at least 3 hours with his girl EVERY DAY. What do they do? -- Giggle for 2 hours laying on the couch and get it on for the last hour. I can not comprehend the idea of such poor time management - i guess that is why i will remain single for a loooong time ;)
My problem is that I am too lazy to take the time involved to fukk around with women IN GENERAL. I told my friends the other day that it would be at least TWO YEARS before I get into another relationship. They were like "Yea RIGHT!" I'll never say never, but it's gonna take one HELL of a woman to get me to give up what I got going for myself right now.
 

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I'm out of your jurisdication Karma but legal scenarios hold pretty true for both countries as does human nature;

1 If a woman has threatened you with false accusations and you have split up, it isn't exactly wise to be making any deposits in her dirtchute, (DNA being what it is). Unless your jurisdiction has some statutory protection for a husband and you are married. Otherwise I would think the rest is obvious.

2 If you had any significant assets, throwing away 50% of them would seem very wasteful to Warren Buffett (allowing for compounding interest). Could you not have simply moved out and away and as the saying goes, don't get tough with her, let your lawyer do it for you.
 

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the stories are endless.

many women see themselves as a victim. and the dangerous thing about a person who sees themselves as a victim is that they can pretty much rationalize ANY type of behavior as appropriate.

during any kind of break, most women will immediate fall into the victim role (ie. they've been wronged) even if it was THEY who did the wrongs. this then allows them to use any and all tactics they can think of to hurt the man and gain the upper hand.

when you make a break from a woman, OR, when you are dealing with a lying or cheating woman, or even one who out right disrespects you not just as a man, but as one human being to another, you need to WALK AWAY.

its like a child who throws a tantrum and refuses to stop. what can you do? short of physically intimidating the child, all you can do is WALK AWAY. you pick them up, put them in their room, and leave them there. you GET AWAY from them, because you can't reason with someone who is throwing a tantrum, man woman or child.

all these guys whose women go off the deep end and thne somehow hope that everything will be fine are fooling themselves.

this is why you have to know the signs of a broken woman and NEXT her and move on in search of one that isn't broken.

so many men out there throwing their lives away on the worthless women instead of having some standards and going in search of the good ones.

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Originally posted by ElChoclo
1 If a woman has threatened you with false accusations and you have split up, it isn't exactly wise to be making any deposits in her dirtchute,

Unless female genetic makeup has changed in past 7 months I don't think a woman can get pregnant from being fvcked in the butt. That's what I was alluding to.



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Originally posted by joekerr31
so many men out there throwing their lives away on the worthless women instead of having some standards and going in search of the good ones.

J
This is as real as it gets. Goals seem to be a thing of the past.



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Karma, sorry, I've made too many ass umptions about your grasp of the issues.

Now lets suppose some fruitcake chick wants to make a man's life harder than it has to be. Let's suppose she says "Mr Policeman, my partner raped me" Cop "Well let's get forensics to check you out." My oh my your jismprint matches her story perfectly and the rest depends on her testimony versus yours. You being the enraged ex venting his jealousy by physical methods.

I would suggest that if you were worried about a frame up for beating her up it would be easier to argue that her bruises came from something other than your knuckle than it would be too argue that your essence got into her hostile body in a friendly fashion.
 

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Originally posted by ElChoclo
Karma, sorry, I've made too many ass umptions about your grasp of the issues.

Now lets suppose some fruitcake chick wants to make a man's life harder than it has to be. Let's suppose she says "Mr Policeman, my partner raped me" Cop "Well let's get forensics to check you out." My oh my your jismprint matches her story perfectly and the rest depends on her testimony versus yours. You being the enraged ex venting his jealousy by physical methods.

I would suggest that if you were worried about a frame up for beating her up it would be easier to argue that her bruises came from something other than your knuckle than it would be too argue that your essence got into her hostile body in a friendly fashion.

Brother I do understand your POV. Unfortunately you don't understand mine. If you believe that law enforcement doesn't take sides in domestic situations, real or bullsh1t, You haven't watched COPS or lived here in the states. I've never been down under in your territory but that's the way it is here.

Bruises or not all a woman has to do is scream fire and everyone on the planet has a three alarm ringin' in thier ears.
 

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Originally posted by The Anti Dr Phil
I've seen you guys post many reasons why it's hard for men to walk away, despite being in horrendous situations, except one very important reason. One of THE most important reasons, in my humble opinion.

Bottom line - Most men don't want to endure the thought of another man invading his territory; another man laying his woman. It doesn't matter if a man's woman is the most evil creature on the planet, a man doesn't want to endure that thought. People (men and women) are territorial, and people find it difficult to walk away because of the aformentioned reason. Many of you may disagree, but really think about it for 11 seconds. Some people would STILL feel a twinge of jealously if they were to see an ex out with someone else years later, so you can imagine what that internal struggle must be like when the wound is still fresh. Fortunately, women endure the same internal battles/demons, so I say do the smart thing and gain the upperhand by leaving the relationship first. Wicked? Perhaps, but thems the breaks.

In my opinion, he who walks away first leaves with the relationship with the most power. And leaving with the most power and dignity is akin to winning the break-up war. But if you really want to get your hands dirty, engage in psychological warfare, and introduce the trifecta into the equation. Leave the relationship 1st, without closure (which is key), and without a trace. This gem of a maneauver is akin to dropping a nuclear or bilogical weapon in the break-up war, and it can take a person years to recover. It's but one in many steps of what I like to call The Anti Dr Phil's "Medeival Torture Methods" - aka extreme psychological warfare. Closure and forgiveness are NOT an option.

So with that being the ugly and smelly facts, I will behoove me to leave first, if I can help it. The person who chooses to ride it out is usually left with the most emotionally baggage/battle scars, and their self esteem takes an even greater hit. Not only will said individual be left with the unnerving feeling that they didn't have the strength to leave first, they are left toiling in emotional uncertainty wondering what you're doing, "who you're doing", and why you didn't attempt to work things out. Their self esteem takes a hit, and it leaves them with a feeling of lowered self worth. A feeling of "he loved me the least because he had the power to walk away first - with a trace". Nothing lowers a persons self esteem quicker than dealing with feelings of rejection. And there is no feeling of rejection worse than being jilted by a former lover. Knowing all of that, a person would be an absolute fool to not leave first.

Not only would I leave, I'd dissappear like Keyser Soza (Usual Suspects), never to be seen or heard from again. And if she did see you again months or years later??? Take that time in between to self improve to ridiculous lengths, which would drive the stake home even further. It's a subconcious way of saying, "not only did I not need you, I didn't respect you enough to say goodbye". And as a kick in the tail on the way out, "I got even better without you".

Is it an @sshole move? Yep. But no one ever said war and breakups weren't ugly.

That said, if a person is married or has children, of course this would be a tad hard-core...but for general relationships??? I am unmerciful.
ABSOLUTLEY BRILLIANT. Sheer Genius, the greatest post ever. That is WONDERFUL fuc*ing advice, my man, you need to write a book, many, many men would benefit from your wisdom, and leave many bewildered and angry women in their wake.
 
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