the appeal of narcisists and sociopats

[tesla8520]

In my experience, women are irresistibly attracted to men who exhibit:

lack of empathy
low inhibition
make fun of other men
opportunists, exploiters
lovebombing, and cyclical devaluation, followed by the final discard (but they might come back)

It's not about the fact that this man is objectively handsome... In fact, he might be quite ugly.
Once a woman comes into contact with a man like this, she perceives him as "strong," but in reality, few, if not very few, women manage to get out of what is essentially a relationship with a narcissistic, sociopathic person. And if they do, it will have lifelong effects. It's a lifelong trauma, which will make her remember this man as the one who gave her the most high an dlows emotionally speaking, of all. But in reality, it's simply narcissistic abuse.

In fact, these are the greatest natural players: Narcissists and Sociopaths.

Here are my two cents on why women end up with, stay with, and can't get enough of these types of men.
The simple reason is that they can't feel that same emotion intensity with other "normal" men out there.

 

[Lauel]

In my experience, women are irresistibly attracted to men who exhibit:

lack of empathy
low inhibition
make fun of other men
opportunists, exploiters
lovebombing, and cyclical devaluation, followed by the final discard (but they might come back)

It's not about the fact that this man is objectively handsome... In fact, he might be quite ugly.
Once a woman comes into contact with a man like this, she perceives him as "strong," but in reality, few, if not very few, women manage to get out of what is essentially a relationship with a narcissistic, sociopathic person. And if they do, it will have lifelong effects. It's a lifelong trauma, which will make her remember this man as the one who gave her the most high an dlows emotionally speaking, of all. But in reality, it's simply narcissistic abuse.

In fact, these are the greatest natural players: Narcissists and Sociopaths.

Here are my two cents on why women end up with, stay with, and can't get enough of these types of men.
The simple reason is that they can't feel that same emotion intensity with other "normal" men out there.

You missed misogyny my friend.
But it only works when you look good, or you are tall.

 

[zekko]

Here are my two cents on why women end up with, stay with, and can't get enough of these types of men.
The simple reason is that they can't feel that same emotion intensity with other "normal" men out there.

That's pretty much the consensus view of the PUA community as far as I can remember. Those guys give her the thrills and the ups and downs. I think it's a little more complex than that:

Women mostly choose from the men who approach them, which limits their options. Men who have more experience with women have an advantage, because they learn through experience what to say and do to attract them. Since these men don't actually care about these women, they can shamelessly tell them what they want to hear, while at the same time using any other number of women in the same manner. These guys aren't intimidated by women because there is never a thought of putting them on a pedestal, they put themselves on a pedestal, because they only care about themselves. By the time the women catch on to what the guy is really about, or start to have feelings enough to care what they are doing, it's too late because they are caught in the trap.

Meanwhile, the guy who actually cares about the girls that he dates doesn't garner as much experience, because they don't run through them like they're so much garbage.

 

[revannt]

You missed misogyny my friend.
But it only works when you look good, or you are tall.

yeah this. i cant think of one person that fits the stereotype OP has mentioned and isn't tall and good looking (typically masculinized facial features). Like ie. i don't think a man with a lot more feminine features would succeed with the same dating approach as OP mentions because it's a lot more constricted I guess

 

[Lauel]

yeah this. i cant think of one person that fits the stereotype OP has mentioned and isn't tall and good looking (typically masculinized facial features). Like ie. i don't think a man with a lot more feminine features would succeed with the same dating approach as OP mentions because it's a lot more constricted I guess

The logic is also funny from women on this :
You want women but can't have them and you are a virgin misogynist? Incel.
You want women, you can have women and you are a good-looking tall misogynist? Smash worthy chad.

 

[Gamisch]

One thing a lotta men tend to do is we confuse good looking women with good behaviour/ being a good person.

But that couldn't be further from the truth. A woman can be an absolute hb9, yet she is inherently a bad ,vile and mean person. Her character might be hb2. Thus she will be attracted to someone with the same male characteristics, meaning a man who is willing to use his strength and will to bypass( unwritten) laws.

The fact that we associate beauty with compassion will forever be the downfall of men. Just accept that 80% of people including women are mean spirited and willing to do evil shyte yo get by in life.

That's pretty much the consensus view of the PUA community as far as I can remember. Those guys give her the thrills and the ups and downs. I think it's a little more complex than that:



Women mostly choose from the men who approach them, which limits their options. Men who have more experience with women have an advantage, because they learn through experience what to say and do to attract them. Since these men don't actually care about these women, they can shamelessly tell them what they want to hear, while at the same time using any other number of women in the same manner. These guys aren't intimidated by women because there is never a thought of putting them on a pedestal, they put themselves on a pedestal, because they only care about themselves. By the time the women catch on to what the guy is really about, or start to have feelings enough to care what they are doing, it's too late because they are caught in the trap.



Meanwhile, the guy who actually cares about the girls that he dates doesn't garner as much experience, because they don't run through them like they're so much garbage.

Great analysis



To make it somewhat motivational; closed mouths don't get fed

 

[intricate design]

I don’t believe in the topic statement about being abusive or whatever

women are mostly just attracted to 1) men who are hot and full of health strength power and money and 2) men who get laid and 3) men who are known to get laid a lot

and if you read of old school stories about famous players, I dunno, like Don Juan or Casanova or something, they all screwed hookers nonstop

thats the stupid thing

it’s mostly about just getting laid. Women don’t care how you get laid even if it’s some dirty hooker. You just have to get laid and women will notice

all those famous players screwed hookers every chance they could get. same thing with ancient chinese taoists. They screwed hookers constantly if they had to.

western society shamed us into thinking we shouldn’t screw hookers. Meanwhile look at how trashy the western women behave

and I mean look what has happened in my city: I don’t even do hookers (paying for them) but to screw a hot 20 something babe in my city their escort ads are like $3,000 per hour

I guarantee Casanova did not spend that. Casanova barely ever even had a real job

 

[The Duke]

I seen both types of guys that @intricate design and @tesla8520 mentioned. Both of you guys are right. And don't forget hot guys that get a lot of women that fuhk fat girls when they have to.

I've got a friend that has some sociopathic traits and does all the same things Tesla listed. Before he got married, he used to have sex with 2-3 different women a week. Didn't even bother to wash the sheets in between, nor did he care if he got called out for stains from the previous girl. He didn't try to hide it either. Now that he is married he has been busted twice cheating. I'm sure he has some sort of sexual addiction.

A lot of it is driven by validation and a bad childhood.

When I was hitting it hard, it was about seduction for me. I'm a hunter. I loved the power I felt when seducing a new girl. The lead up, anticipation, and intensity that came getting to know her on a first date to dropping her panties for the first time was thrilling. Many times it was more satisfying than the actual sex. The sex was predictable and easy once everything else leading up to the act fell into place.

I never manipulated them but I did know the recipe and the tricks to use. I was always clear that I knew my way around women and had been with plenty and most of them realized this with out me confirming it.

You bet women like experienced men that know what they are doing, even tho they hate admitting it.

 

[tesla8520]

Since these men don't actually care about these women, they can shamelessly tell them what they want to hear, while at the same time using any other number of women in the same manner. These guys aren't intimidated by women because there is never a thought of putting them on a pedestal, they put themselves on a pedestal, because they only care about themselves. By the time the women catch on to what the guy is really about, or start to have feelings enough to care what they are doing, it's too late because they are caught in the trap.

Meanwhile, the guy who actually cares about the girls that he dates doesn't garner as much experience, because they don't run through them like they're so much garbage.

You've made the distinction between two completely different men. This will also lead to two completely different lives.

Who do you want to be as a man? Number 1 will have a lot of drama, ups and downs. Number 2 will certainly have fewer partners, but if he's a confident man, he'll have a much better life than the first.

The first man will never be as confident as you think.
I've seen some with those characteristics, but they're extremely insecure. With a desire to dominate others.
It seems to me like a comparison between a drug addict/criminal and a scholar/aristocrat/sage.
From the outside, everything may seem beautiful and powerful, but the narcissist, psychopath, or sociopath has an internal void they can't fill because they don't engage in introspection, which instead allows the other man to win in the long run.

It takes faith and patience, and you shouldn't let anyone walk all over you.

 

[tesla8520]

But that couldn't be further from the truth. A woman can be an absolute hb9, yet she is inherently a bad ,vile and mean person. Her character might be hb2. Thus she will be attracted to someone with the same male characteristics, meaning a man who is willing to use his strength and will to bypass( unwritten) laws.

The fact that we associate beauty with compassion will forever be the downfall of men. Just accept that 80% of people including women are mean spirited and willing to do evil shyte yo get by in life.

Can't stress enough for this!!
Well said, this is actually the point of it.

If a woman have kids, it doesn't mean she's a kind or good mother, even she appear as it.
If you see them making sex, it doesn't mean He could not be a cuck.
If you see her being a nice woman, it doesn't mean she will not do bad things.

I've met many people like you mentioned (the more they're into politics the worse they're).
Actually good people, are those at the bottom. Very few at the top kept their cores.

 

[tesla8520]

To make it somewhat motivational; closed mouths don't get fed

I'm more about the fact the most insecure man of the room it's the loudy of all

 

[tesla8520]

@intricate design I do not agree 100% of what you said, because we go back to the point again... but for sure, there is a huge diffent in your, if you make sex, or if you don't.
Women will notice

You bet women like experienced men that know what they are doing, even tho they hate admitting it.

For sure!

Btw, you guys need to understand that many of those man, may possess attractive traits, but they barely have 10% of the inner game an uglier man made in his life.
What count the most in life, it's your inner state, so keep working on the inner game is solid advice.
And, yes, go out and do a lot of sex

 

[intricate design]

I suppose the definition of abuse varies especially in a womans illogical minds

women get off on a roller coaster of emotions. they like to be happy but they like crying too. They like the good times just as much as temporary misery

if a woman thinks you’re hot and a good catch, if you bruise her somewhere while having sex she’ll look at the bruise like she received a trophy of great honor, or a reward to remember fondly in her sick mind

women don’t like boredom in bed or if a relationship feels less exciting than her girlfriend or sisters. It’s okay to inject some toxic drama into the mix. being mean to her is like giving a dog a dog treat

 

[BaronOfHair]

Dexterity at manipulating others and dealing out violence are often hallmarks of psychopathy. Imagine a man who's equipped with those traits while also being pleasing to the eye...

Chicks drenching themselves in his presence is less surprising than learning Nortenos generally end up in San Quentin's infirmary, 80+ stab wounds in the stomach, if they're foolish enough to wander into a portion of the yard occupied almost entirely by members of The AB

 

[tesla8520]

I suppose the definition of abuse varies especially in a womans illogical minds

women get off on a roller coaster of emotions. they like to be happy but they like crying too. They like the good times just as much as temporary misery

if a woman thinks you’re hot and a good catch, if you bruise her somewhere while having sex she’ll look at the bruise like she received a trophy of great honor, or a reward to remember fondly in her sick mind

women don’t like boredom in bed or if a relationship feels less exciting than her girlfriend or sisters. It’s okay to inject some toxic drama into the mix. being mean to her is like giving a dog a dog treat

Everything you say works.
I don't care as a man in my life.
I prefer to live short relationships of 3 years, rather than a long one of 30 years full of "bruises"

Dexterity at manipulating others and dealing out violence are often hallmarks of psychopathy. Imagine a man who's equipped with those traits while also being pleasing to the eye...

I can imagine it affecting all kinds of women, and once it affects them, they are scarred forever.

 

[kavi]

But I think those types of badboys or high energy guys now must be feeling the pressure as our society is so tough on men tbh i dont think there are many men out there like that the world is too tough a place for such superficial men to maintain their drive and energy maybe 20 years ago but those same guys today are beaten down by the system

 

[BaronOfHair]

But I think those types of badboys or high energy guys now must be feeling the pressure as our society is so tough on men tbh i dont think there are many men out there like that the world is too tough a place for such superficial men to maintain their drive and energy maybe 20 years ago but those same guys today are beaten down by the system

Such men are frequently highly adaptable. That's another aspect that makes them a draw

 

[kavi]

TBH i dont think this is true, and very few such men even exist. But women and media like to portray such men becuse this is a female fantasy and it is like their rape fantasies it just their hamster fantasising that strong men jjst want them or that these capable men would lie cheat and etc to get to have sec with them but only low class men would do that as females have little real value.

The type of men from Mad Men or that show with ad execs this is not real the reslity is work life is hard.

The reality is that in annimals and humans and romantic relations the PIMP game ie thegame with men as either Pimps or Tricks (or out the game) and females between them this is the only model that exists and the marriage system was only temporary creation.

Now in our society females havent accepeted yet the value of a Pimp or Alpha Male orhigher value guy but theybstill think they can dominate in relationships with men but the men they canget either providers for ltr or short terem sex guess what they have a lot of these choices now butwomen are more unhappy then ever soon they will realisee the men of their sex fantasies are not real men at all

 

[tesla8520]

those same guys today are beaten down by the system

The same boys who, millions of years ago, were the ones killing other men and raiding their caves, claiming their wives.
It's been going on for millions of years.

What do you mean, the system is defeating them?

 

[tesla8520]

Now in our society females havent accepeted yet the value of a Pimp or Alpha Male orhigher value guy but theybstill think they can dominate in relationships with men but the men they canget either providers for ltr or short terem sex guess what they have a lot of these choices now butwomen are more unhappy then ever soon they will realisee the men of their sex fantasies are not real men at all

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