"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The 2nd date?

Towerdog

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Alright guys this is a long one so just bear with me.
I met a girl on POF, we went out to a bar and had a couple drinks the other night to meet each other. It went smooth and she said she definitely wants to meet up again. She asked what we could do that's fun and I suggested going to the gun range, she agreed and is very excited. I know shes into me for sure but heres my problems.

1. I'm leaving town for work tomorrow and won't be back for about a month. I figure I'll text or call her a few times and probably email her some pictures (I'll be in the Rockies). Any thoughts on what to talk about?

2. I didn't quite escalate sexually when we met but she knows I'm interested. I can't remember the last time I actively tried to get a girl the old fashioned way, I usually just pick up girls at bars and clubs and hook up and hang out. This girl is LTR material so I wanna see where it goes. She seems kinda prude so I'm open to suggestions on how to handle that situation also.

Thanks in advance
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Towerdog said:
1. I'm leaving town for work tomorrow and won't be back for about a month. I figure I'll text or call her a few times and probably email her some pictures (I'll be in the Rockies). Any thoughts on what to talk about?
Keep it to 1 message a week tops. You 'll be too busy out and banging other chicks right?

Towerdog said:
2. I didn't quite escalate sexually when we met but she knows I'm interested. I can't remember the last time I actively tried to get a girl the old fashioned way, I usually just pick up girls at bars and clubs and hook up and hang out. This girl is LTR material so I wanna see where it goes. She seems kinda prude so I'm open to suggestions on how to handle that situation also.
How does she know you're interested if you didn't escalate?

You are raving about her being LTR material and you don't even know her. Get your head on straight.

If she seems like a prude, then for go for it anyway.

She may put up some resistance. If so, go for a 3rd date and if she doesn't bang you then, it's 2 strikes and you lose her.

Simple.
 

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Good advice. However I wasn't raving about her being ltr material if you read my post. Also I do know this woman well because we've been talking on the phone for a while and she just seems like a good person, unlike most of the skanks I've been with before
 

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Towerdog said:
Good advice. However I wasn't raving about her being ltr material if you read my post. Also I do know this woman well because we've been talking on the phone for a while and she just seems like a good person, unlike most of the skanks I've been with before
Until you've dated a girl, you don't know the girl.

Hell, I can even say it about myself. Iceberg as an acquaintance and Iceberg as a boyfriend are two different people.

Moral of the story - She's LTR material when she proves herself to be. I've had "skanks" turn out to be nice girls. And "nice girls" turn out to be skanks.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade. But you can't put this girl on a pedestal. Until she's having great sex with you, and then waking up and cooking you breakfast, she's not "LTR material". Especially considering you haven't gone on date #2 yet.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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