I truly believe there are a very very small number of men that can get girls at will. I'm talking like a 85% success rate. They have mastered this DJ thing and getting girls has become a total non event. There is no mystery involved and its just a nuanced routine. They can literally go out on any given day or night and make a connection that will lead to sex very soon 8 out of 10 times. They know exactly what to look for in a target that will increase their success rate substantially, thats the key. I truly believe that.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
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Oh I believe that, too. They are out there, we dont know about them, maybe even they dont know about them, maybe they are in a relationship that is why they suppress their natural abilities. So many possibilities.
I hope at least one of them goes in the spot light and give us legit stuff, because little by little sosuave.net's advices/methods is starting to look like its ONLY based on chance/odds instead of a genuine "I see that chick, I want that chick, I WILL go home with that chick"
I hope at least one of them goes in the spot light and give us legit stuff, because little by little sosuave.net's advices/methods is starting to look like its ONLY based on chance/odds instead of a genuine "I see that chick, I want that chick, I WILL go home with that chick"
women haze
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the theory that sosuave presents is about 50% of what you need to be successful. Now there was a guy I believe his name was Live Free X and he presented an entirely different side of the game which also probably nets you more success.....
There are a bunch of naturals out there whom are not on this site, My friend being one of them. He has so many around him that everybody wants him in their circle, everyone wants him to goto their parties, everyone calls him that every Sat night he never has to worry about what is going on next and is never alone in the house.
because he displays a different value....He doesn't have all this money, mediocre job, lives at home, yet he pulls in the pu***...he has status
That is what is missing from this forum, how do you get to that level and also maintain self?
I agree with bettering yourself get that education, get that money, strive for success always in what you do
don't get me wrong...but what is wrong with us as we are now??? before the success?....what is it we do not have that the naturals do...
That is the missing link in the so suave forums that need to be emphasized on a bit more....
does anybody agree or disagree?
There are a bunch of naturals out there whom are not on this site, My friend being one of them. He has so many around him that everybody wants him in their circle, everyone wants him to goto their parties, everyone calls him that every Sat night he never has to worry about what is going on next and is never alone in the house.
because he displays a different value....He doesn't have all this money, mediocre job, lives at home, yet he pulls in the pu***...he has status
That is what is missing from this forum, how do you get to that level and also maintain self?
I agree with bettering yourself get that education, get that money, strive for success always in what you do
don't get me wrong...but what is wrong with us as we are now??? before the success?....what is it we do not have that the naturals do...
That is the missing link in the so suave forums that need to be emphasized on a bit more....
does anybody agree or disagree?
I think it helps to be rare and to be mysterious. You don't want your behaviour to be predictable. It's good to go out in a alot of different cities and towns, instead of going to the same club 3 times in a row. Going out in other places helps u get perspective on the game as a whole aswell.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
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st_99 said:
You're right. And they cannot be beaten, unless you take their head and with it, their power. In the end, there can be only one.
Scars
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I believe you can only gain so much from this site. There comes a point when you've absorbed everything, and put it into practice, but you eventually feel like you've out grown all the material here. Which is kind of how I feel.
You start to develop your own theories and test them out, and/or you come to the realization that sometimes you have to "play dirty", which takes some time getting used to.
After hitting this point you might find yourself reading up on psychology to better understand how to seduce certain types of woman. An example would be, taking advantage of a girls abandonment issues, using past traumatic events to speed up the "comfort" stage before seduction (whether they're make believe or not), using her narcissism against her, identify how much of "quality" of a girl she will be in the future etc..
You might take a strong interest on how to read body language better.
You might start reading auto-biographical documentaries about sociopaths/serial killers knowing that these men are usually very seductive/manipulative and try to understand their inner thinking.
Basically, anything to read your target to the best of your ability (trying to know who they are before they even say a word, or very few), understand what tactics you need to use to take down their defenses and then seduce unapologetically.
-Scars
You start to develop your own theories and test them out, and/or you come to the realization that sometimes you have to "play dirty", which takes some time getting used to.
After hitting this point you might find yourself reading up on psychology to better understand how to seduce certain types of woman. An example would be, taking advantage of a girls abandonment issues, using past traumatic events to speed up the "comfort" stage before seduction (whether they're make believe or not), using her narcissism against her, identify how much of "quality" of a girl she will be in the future etc..
You might take a strong interest on how to read body language better.
You might start reading auto-biographical documentaries about sociopaths/serial killers knowing that these men are usually very seductive/manipulative and try to understand their inner thinking.
Basically, anything to read your target to the best of your ability (trying to know who they are before they even say a word, or very few), understand what tactics you need to use to take down their defenses and then seduce unapologetically.
-Scars
I agree with the main point but 85% is way too IMO. I don't think any man on Earth can pick up 17 out of every 20 girls he likes. In Louis/Copeland they say "One of the myths about dating is that, as a man, you should be able to walk up to any woman and have her back in your bed in just minutes. This is rarely if ever the case. Sure if you are already very famous maybe, but for most men this is not possible."
They go on to write that a successful seducer only sleeps with 1 in 40 women that he likes (versus 34 out of 40). That is, you get a date with 1 in 10 and sleep with 1 in 4 of those.
Now, you might be able to get 85% of women you have time alone with to give you their phone number, but that's only after they show interest. You might be able to sleep with 85% of the women who go on dates with you, but that's only after you've been pre-screened. And many of the women will flake and/or have boyfriends etc. Also, often the chemistry isn't there (literally, based on the way you smell and taste they detect whether your DNA is are too much like their own which is a turn off to them).
By setting realistic expectations you can enjoy your periodic success more.
They go on to write that a successful seducer only sleeps with 1 in 40 women that he likes (versus 34 out of 40). That is, you get a date with 1 in 10 and sleep with 1 in 4 of those.
Now, you might be able to get 85% of women you have time alone with to give you their phone number, but that's only after they show interest. You might be able to sleep with 85% of the women who go on dates with you, but that's only after you've been pre-screened. And many of the women will flake and/or have boyfriends etc. Also, often the chemistry isn't there (literally, based on the way you smell and taste they detect whether your DNA is are too much like their own which is a turn off to them).
By setting realistic expectations you can enjoy your periodic success more.
Yes I believe there are certain men who are naturally adept at reading female body language and the signals they send that make it much easier for them to quickly assess the situation and act accordingly.st_99 said:
One of my old time college buddies and a natural could literally walk in a bar club or any social setting, scan his environment and tell which women were giving off positve IOIs almost immediately. Because of this I would often see him approaching women, getting their numbers or sometimes leaving with them in pretty short order.
I think its this built in radar that naturals have is what distinguishes them from all others. Of course if you are butt ugly and the female is not attracted to you then it is of no consequence. But I know so many good looking guys who are clueless and thus have a hard time getting laid because they just dont get it when it comes to interacting with women.
I also think naturals probably just have much more experience and were around girls and were thus able to practice their sexuality and determine what works and what doesnt with them from a pretty young age.
I think its a complete myth however that any guy can just walk up to any woman and seduce her. It just doesnt work that way. I dont care
if you are rich, look like Bradd Pitt, etc. There are a percentage of women who are just not going to be seducable to any particular man no matter his social status, looks, etc. 85% is way too high IMO and beyond reality.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
This is a very good point actually. It's not really about seducing women. It's about reading them. Sometimes you can up your value by noticing you're doing something they disapprove of and then you can think of changing that. But you're never going to seduce a woman who doesn't see any attractive qualities in you when you first meet.gaspipe said:
AlexDP said:
Right, my belief is in some guys power to KNOW which girls he has a good shot to game. Then he ALSO has good game and looks, etc.. to seal the deal. Its a combination of target selection and the game to execute. BUT, I also think that these guys are so good that yes, you can put a lot of girls (maybe not 85%) in front of them and they can make it happen. They also are really good at knowing which type of game to apply to various types of girls.
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You don't need to pull 85% of women you talk with at any random time in order to go home with someone most times that you go out.
More importantly, you don't need to have the top 1% type of skills in order to find a quality woman with whom you can enjoy yourself and her company.
Too much emphasis on being at the top of the pile leads the vast majority of people to feel dissatisfied with their lives. I'm happy being friendly, sexual, comfortable, and successful in ONS or LTR. I am not the best in any of these categories, and I am not terribly successful at the cold pickup, but I am happy with my ability to obtain what I want.
I hope men on this site recognize that focusing on the top 1% is like expecting to get an 800 on your SAT math section - it's important to shoot high, but setting unrealistic expectations (unrealistic for 99% of the population) is counterproductive.
More importantly, you don't need to have the top 1% type of skills in order to find a quality woman with whom you can enjoy yourself and her company.
Too much emphasis on being at the top of the pile leads the vast majority of people to feel dissatisfied with their lives. I'm happy being friendly, sexual, comfortable, and successful in ONS or LTR. I am not the best in any of these categories, and I am not terribly successful at the cold pickup, but I am happy with my ability to obtain what I want.
I hope men on this site recognize that focusing on the top 1% is like expecting to get an 800 on your SAT math section - it's important to shoot high, but setting unrealistic expectations (unrealistic for 99% of the population) is counterproductive.