"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Texting too much

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Ok so I have talked to girls online and on text and in general too. But I was wondering about how many times the Don has to start the conversation and not look like someone who is overtrying.

Like, if a girl seems to like me, I would expect her to keep texting for more. Except although they do show signs that they are interested in me - I often have to initiate conversation. Do girls genuinely wait for me to say something, or are not that interested.

Secondly, if I do start off the conversations wouldn't I seem desperate and subsequently a turn off? Or can you get away with starting all conversations with the girl and not seem desperate?

Thanks
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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LearningSlowly

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Here's a rule of thumb. If you see the girl regularly in person, you can get away with texting her more. Don't talk to her virtually more than you do in real life. If you feel like you don't see her much in real life, invite her out somewhere.
 

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LearningSlowly said:
Here's a rule of thumb. If you see the girl regularly in person, you can get away with texting her more. Don't talk to her virtually more than you do in real life. If you feel like you don't see her much in real life, invite her out somewhere.
Can you explain the rationale behind talking to her more in person than virtually?
Also, I do speak to girls who I only really have contact online due to distance; and they do seem to show some form of interest in me. Is there any rule of thumb of how to and how often to speak to them?
 

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FemPulley said:
Can you explain the rationale behind talking to her more in person than virtually?
It seems obvious to me. You can't get laid online. Only in person. If they are interested, they are interested in who you are in person, not online.

If they live far away, they aren't a realistic option and should be dropped.
 

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hey, i have a question. should i ask this girl ive known for about 3 months now to hang out? the 1st time i asked her to hangout, it was way to early, and i was stupid >_< (we had been talking for like 2 weeks). but like last week i told her i need to talk with her and it was about something insignficant like anime (a show, i think). anyway, she said "idk whenever" but it turns out she was really busy that weekend :(. so im wondering if i should follow up this weekend and see if she can hang out. (because we dont really ever have time to talk in karate like ever). and since we're friends i feel like we need to acually talk with each other, u know? (not just via txting, like u said)
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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thomasp said:
hey, i have a question. should i ask this girl ive known for about 3 months now to hang out? the 1st time i asked her to hangout, it was way to early, and i was stupid >_< (we had been talking for like 2 weeks). but like last week i told her i need to talk with her and it was about something insignficant like anime (a show, i think). anyway, she said "idk whenever" but it turns out she was really busy that weekend :(. so im wondering if i should follow up this weekend and see if she can hang out. (because we dont really ever have time to talk in karate like ever). and since we're friends i feel like we need to acually talk with each other, u know? (not just via txting, like u said)
Hey man, if youve known her for 3 months and still havent made a move then its probably too late. Since you mentioned you guys are friends i hate to say it but thats that harsh truth your stuck as a friend. From what you are saying she doesnt seem too interested. If i were you i would drop her and meet other women :down:
 

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Stingers said:
Hey man, if youve known her for 3 months and still havent made a move then its probably too late. Since you mentioned you guys are friends i hate to say it but thats that harsh truth your stuck as a friend. From what you are saying she doesnt seem too interested. If i were you i would drop her and meet other women :down:
yea. i mean she has a bf so... But i mean im fine with friends, cuz shes still really cool, so i guess its fine.
 
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