CrashOverRide
Don Juan
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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
sageproduct said:SH1T man I had a pretty fwcking bad night. Played a 60 person 60 cent or so satellite where the top 25 would cash or qualify for a tournament. I finished in fwcking 26th. It was gay as fwcking hell because it was one of those super turbo tournaments with REALLY tiny stacks and some fag at my table kept taking as much time as he could because he was very shortstacked and thought he could somehow save himself by stalling. Fwcking fag. At this point, BB was like 1/5 of my stack, and right after paying the SB I got transferred to a different table where I IMMEDIATELY took the spot of the BB!! I was fwcking pissed. I was severely shortstacked, was forced to push a few hands later, and lost. Just 1 spot farther and I would have "won" the tournament because all spots 1-25 got the same prize, entry into a tournament.
Played another 9 handed sit n go where the top 3 cash, I fwcking finished 4th...and it was after another guy was shortstacked, I tried to steal his blinds and he ended up having KQ. He beat me, I got shortstacked, I ended up losing before he did...
Anyway, just had to vent so that I don't go off blowing more money.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Playing against fish is easy.sageproduct said:Sh11111t that sounds terrible man, it hurts to hear. I'm finally doing better now, on break at a MTT with about 110 people where top 28 get entry to a $2.20 buy-in tournament (if I win I'm gonna take the tournament cash cuz my BR's so small right now). 13th in chips with about 56 people left...I better win now.
Did you ever play the micro stakes? I'm doing all the Full Tilt Academy challenges and stuff, but I feel like a lot of the lessons just mess you up when you're playing against fish because the moves they make just don't make sense.
lol at playing 20 hrs for a 2 profit.. wtf u play 1c/2c????sageproduct said:Full Tilt Poker is the way to go. I started playing for real money last summer. I lost about $20 immediately. Now I'm just about good enough to break even. Last Friday-Sunday I had a binge where I played probably about 20 hours total. My profit? About $2 over the course of 20 hours...
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Exactly, that's why Doyle Brunson in his classic tome "Supersystem" he says to never bother bluffing a fish. He does not even understand the complexities of the game so he will just call you irregardless. Play ABC poker against fish, and the weight of the mathematics will bury the fish in an oil spill.sageproduct said:Well Prodigy the assumption is that the people I play in 1c/2c aren't smart or experienced enough to realize what you know about tight players, and any deviation from purely mathematical play would only hurt me because weak players don't make logical plays.
The advantage of playing low stakes is that it allows you to see all the possible card variations out there, so you also get a mathematical feel/intuition for how often say you hit your flush after the turn.sageproduct said:Yes, it is VERY boring when I sit there for hours and only make like a dollar at a time...but it is very necessary to play at low stakes until my bankroll is large enough to handle variance at higher stakes. A couple weeks ago my friend deposited like $50 for the first time, and I told him to read up on bankroll management. Very smart guy, yet he jumped straight into low/medium stakes tables instead of micro and lost all $50 in one night.
Trader said:Exactly, that's why Doyle Brunson in his classic tome "Supersystem" he says to never bother bluffing a fish. He does not even understand the complexities of the game so he will just call you irregardless. Play ABC poker against fish, and the weight of the mathematics will bury the fish in an oil spill.
The advantage of playing low stakes is that it allows you to see all the possible card variations out there, so you also get a mathematical feel/intuition for how often say you hit your flush after the turn.
The downside, like you mentioned is that you really can only play ABC poker at those microlevels since most of the people are just loose calling stations.
The one advantage of poker is that it is scalable unlike other professions. In other words, if you are a doctor, to double your income, you have to see double the patients, which means double the time, unless you can clone yourself. If you become really good at poker, you can jump from $10/$20 tables to $100/$200 tables and make more money in the SAME amount of time.
Caveat: in scalable professions such as poker and trading, there are non-linearities in payoffs. In other words, you have a couple of giants (winners) and lots of dwarfs (losers). Just like in the record industry, you have the pop stars that make millions, and then you have this huge graveyard of aspiring singers who are wasting away at Starbucks.
Competition is more intense in winner-take-all professions such as poker and trading.
What he said. Real poker isn't just luck/skill, it's tells, reads and psych-outs.Julius_Seizeher said:If you're not drinking whiskey n water with cigar smoke in the air, you ain't playing poker.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.