Tell me how change my frame /attitude /whatever

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Women rarely answer my phone calls and if they do I'll say something stupid like are you busy if theirs background noise...shell say I'll call you back in couple hours and never does so I start the text
 
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Women rarely answer my phone calls and if they do I'll say something stupid like are you busy if theirs background noise...shell say I'll call you back in couple hours and never does so I start the text
Most of the men's problems here stems from their supplicating traits.

And that includes you.

How would you frame the phone call the next time?

This time think on what I've said then post it here on how you should do it.
 

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who cares about thots dude. your post reeks of desperation. i was liek u. but i stopped lusting women
 

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I swear man. This is how people are?
Yes, this is how people are.

If a girl is INITIALLY interested but later her interest DECLINES, she will flake.

If you picked up some chocolate you thought had creme on the inside but found it was filled with crap you didn't like, you'd put it back.
 

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Most of the men's problems here stems from their supplicating traits.

And that includes you.

How would you frame the phone call the next time?

This time think on what I've said then post it here on how you should do it.
Id probably first ask in an interested manner of what's her status on what she is doing/working on from what we talked about a lot intially...Than within 10 mins end the call while scheduling the meet up with "I'm going to whatever you should come"

Is that better ?
 
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Yes, this is how people are.

If a girl is INITIALLY interested but later her interest DECLINES, she will flake.

If you picked up some chocolate you thought had creme on the inside but found it was filled with crap you didn't like, you'd put it back.
I understand that interest can fade. What I'm stunned about is how a chick can make plans with a guy excitedly 1-2 days out, than go no contact the day of..that's ruthless lol.
 

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who cares about thots dude. your post reeks of desperation. i was liek u. but i stopped lusting women
Not really lusting or deslerqte for a gf. I have a block I need to prove to myself to get over so I can confidently use it as a tool in the future.
 

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Most of the men's problems here stems from their supplicating traits.

And that includes you.

How would you frame the phone call the next time?

This time think on what I've said then post it here on how you should do it.
Somewhere in your posts on this thread is a revelation of inner mindset.
 

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I understand that interest can fade. What I'm stunned about is how a chick can make plans with a guy excitedly 1-2 days out, than go no contact the day of..that's ruthless lol.
Tease her over it, call her a flake when she flakes. Stop being polite and be real instead, she'll actually respect you for it.
 

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Geemale, you're actually on the right track.
When rejected by women, we have three choices.
1. We can join sosuave and put down others in order to make ourselves feel good
2. We can hate women and place the blame on them
3. (the wise choice and one that you're making) We can recognize a pattern and accept self-accountability and work on it.

My advice is to look back on this pattern. If you are texting or e-mailing, look at their responses. If there's a point and time when it seems unfavorable, notice if there's a pattern of why.

Self-objectivity is most difficult. Sometimes women will act unfavorable to things that we shouldn't change about ourselves. Other times, it's a 'gift' because we can learn how to modify and achieve better results.

From experience, I was far from the most popular kid in jr. high school. When I became consciously aware of social reaction/interaction, I was able to modify (yet, still retain my individuality) By the time of high school, I wasn't the most popular kid, but *far* higher up the social latter. The same theory applies with women too.
 
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Tease her over it, call her a flake when she flakes. Stop being polite and be real instead, she'll actually respect you for it.
Well that's the thing bro I usually do call her out on it than delete her number. I'm taking about preventing flakes less if it something to do with me
 

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I mean... work on yourself, be interesting and enigmatic. Speak in riddles. Never tell a woman anything, make her guess or pry it out of you.

But consider that women who are on dating apps have an endless supply of men at their disposal and all it takes is one mistake for her to ghost you. it's hard to learn, but that's life nowdays.
 

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This is frustrating the f*** out of me questioning if I'm even desirable. I'm 26, looking to get my first software engineer position with 6 months, work out concistenly, generally transparent or at least try to be, and have no major bad habits(not even porn/masturbation/social media)

I have no problem having attractive and / or high status women say yes to meeting at a schedule day place and time. HOWEVER I keep getting no contact the day of. This happened to like 4 chicks the last month or so and many times in the past and will probably keep happening again. Pharmacy/med students, or chicks who are 7+/10 and seem polite up front are the type these are. I don't get the slightest hint at first. Until I notice that their words and actions don't match. Yet the next time when you text them wtf they are happy to text Smiley's etc and set up a second time to meet only to pull the same s***

One thing to note is these aren't chicks from clubs/bars/etc I don't do those.

I swear man. This is how people are? This isn't normal this is weird as hell. It's frustrating cause for the first time in my life I'm feeling accomplished and proud like in about something and I'm staring to feel like I totally deserve to have women throwing themselves at me right now compared to all these social media weirdos who slide into dm's and Jack off to porn, and left wing social justice warriors, etc.

I wish there was a buzzer that goes off when I want to approach a chick and right before it'll say hold up bro she's going to cancel on your a** don't waste your time and energy.
Completely normal to get flakes, despite the nonsense I just read.

Had women that had very high interest, who I've even went out with for ages, who still fvcked around in the messaging leading up to the initial date. Just how they are.

It's a numbers game, and abundance is the key. Whenever you might think that you've "screwed up", I find important to know that you can replace which comes through in your subcommunication and ironically leads to less screwing up. Unless you are strictly playing social circle game which is very different, where you can be quite a bit more secure in that sort of thing.
 

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Completely normal to get flakes, despite the nonsense I just read.

Had women that had very high interest, who I've even went out with for ages, who still fvcked around in the messaging leading up to the initial date. Just how they are.

It's a numbers game, and abundance is the key. Whenever you might think that you've "screwed up", I find important to know that you can replace which comes through in your subcommunication and ironically leads to less screwing up. Unless you are strictly playing social circle game which is very different, where you can be quite a bit more secure in that sort of thing.
Yeah but I will also adopt and try what a couple other posts I've posted to prevent flakes to see if the what I was doing it was a potential issue. I've got past the point that I know (from experience) it's a numbers game. Inasignt would also suggest if one gets 10 women flakes in a row he should post on sosuave and rant to find a try solutions to get rid of the block
 

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Take an honest look at yourself. You already know you're not masculine/dominant enough. So what do you need to do to fix this?
 
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Take an honest look at yourself. You already know you're not masculine/dominant enough. So what do you need to do to fix this?
Not masculine/dominant enough? You mean when it comes to initiating the meet up communication? If you're talking about the shock/awe approach that stormrider above was talking about, he's talking about in clubs and he admitted not to cause he was drunk writing the post lol. I meet these chicks at coffee shops, stores,etc I don't do clubs/bars.. I think masculine/dominant isn't the right word....I don't jack off/watch porn, I lift weights consistently, my testosterone levels is in the high-normal range.I'm not getting offended just trying to see what you're talking about exactly...as far as finding the solution from insight...I sadly(but excitingly) believe it has to do with the way I'm initiating the meet up more than anything else(besides the normal amount of flakes we get from playing the numbers game). If I recall I remember there was a chick who I went bowling with once at my last job. She hinted that its better to allow her and future chicks no pressure to meet up.I'll know for sure as that'll be the only thing I change when asking the next few chiks out to meet...if they don't cancel/NC than its obviously cause of that.

Other than that I don't think I need help on this particular post, thanks guys.
 

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Sounds like maybe some of these chicks are married/taken and not saying telling you up front.
 
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