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christz

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So i've been doing a search through some old threads about the use of the telephone for females that you like, espeiclly if your trying to build attraction and so on.

I've also read through some of the system and this is what i gather.

-Only use the phone to set up dates
-Don't talk on phone for more than 10 minutes
-Don't get personal over the phone
-Don't talk on the phone unless you have to

The list goes on and looking at that list, being in car sales, that list looks A LOT no i'm sorry EXACTLY like the list through some old traning material in the break room. and that list goes like this

-Only spend 5 minutes on the phone
-The phone is not meant for information gathering
-Set up appointments ONLY
-Do not answer questions over the phone
-Do NOT use the phone unless you have to

I dunno what the stipulations are but nothing wrong has ever come out of talking to a girl for say 2 hours on the phone if her intrest level in you is sky high, i don't think she's gonna care how long your convos are. In fact i got a girl who just doesn't wanna hang up on me now. And I also don't think she'll care if you call once a day just to chat.

So i gotta wonder is this list for girls with middle of the road, low intrest or high intrest?
 

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the phone thing is a safety net for guys with one-i-tis who sit and listen to a girls problems....as long as you are the same DJ on the phone..that u are in person everything is fine!
 

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Depends how long you want it to last.
I don't know, but it seems most couple's run out of steam after a while. Eventually you might as well not talk cus the other person has heard everything you gotta say. Could take weeks, months, years. Best not tempt fate.
 

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Personally, I just can't stand the phone. I'm not a real talkative guy anyway, and rely on body-language and eye-contact to get my message accross - without all that, conversation can get pretty boring pretty fast.

I should interject that many of the 'rules' you find on this site are guidelines. As with anything, if you really want to be effective then you need to tailor those guidelines to fit your style, and find what works best for you. If you're da man on the phone, then awesome! Just don't let her steer the conversation with her boy troubles, and weekend plans.
 

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If you just want to talk, meaning if you have SOMETHING TO SAY, you can stay on the phone as long as you want.

If you want to MEET with her, don't sit on the phone and TALK with her...set up a time to MEET her. Also, if you have nothing to say, really, then a phone call is a waste of time, don't you think?

Hanging on the phone for a long time without saying anything is like hanging around a girl in person for a long time without DOING anything. It's just...weird...and needy.
 

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Originally posted by squirrels
If you just want to talk, meaning if you have SOMETHING TO SAY, you can stay on the phone as long as you want.

If you want to MEET with her, don't sit on the phone and TALK with her...set up a time to MEET her. Also, if you have nothing to say, really, then a phone call is a waste of time, don't you think?

Hanging on the phone for a long time without saying anything is like hanging around a girl in person for a long time without DOING anything. It's just...weird...and needy.
what if its the kinda conversations that are about everything and nothing, in where you just chat about what's on your mind, or what went on the other night with friends and so on. Its not a boreing conversation either because there's laughing and all that good shyt.

are these the type of conversations to have or stay away from?
 

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Originally posted by christz
what if its the kinda conversations that are about everything and nothing, in where you just chat about what's on your mind, or what went on the other night with friends and so on. Its not a boreing conversation either because there's laughing and all that good shyt.

are these the type of conversations to have or stay away from?
Ask yourself this: Would I prefer to have this conversation on the phone, or in person?

On the phone you have NOTHING but the conversation... however in the person you can play a little kino when she's really into the conversation. You can flirt with her, read her body language (and display some of your own), and escalate things physically. You can show her that your intentions aren't about the friendship - you can't do that over the phone.
 
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