"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Tale of a typical "Nice Guy"

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I thought I would share this little story with you guys about the true nature of a "nice guy" and why women hate them so much.

My girlfriend has been training to become a Geography teacher and during a school event about a year ago had got talking to this guy who was a teacher. He offered her some advice and encouragement and after this short conversation, she never saw him again.

Then about 2 months ago she received an email from this guy. He had been asking around about her and managed to get her email address. Now, instead of asking her out, he did the typical "nice guy" thing and wrote to her offering his advice and any help with teaching. He had researched some things for her and written out some criteria sheet for her. She found it a nice gesture and took him up on his offer.

In 2 months of emailing each other, he never once asked her out, asked if she was single or showed any interest in dating her. He kept telling her how much he enjoys talking to her, put too many kisses on his emails and was obviously supplicating to her by pretending to like everything she likes, but seemed not to have the balls to express his true intentions. Then one day he emailed her and generally asked what she'd been upto over the weekend and my girlfriend mentioned that she had been away with her boyfriend.

His next email was very abusive! He accused her of using him for all the help on teaching, kept going on about how he put himself out for her and how nice he was to her and she showed no grattitude. And worst of all, he started telling her she was too dumb to make it as a teacher anyway!

Basically he threw a tantrum because the girl whose ass he'd spent 2 months kissing had a boyfriend and wasn't interested in dating him. Now all of a sudden all the help he had freely offered and all his "nice" behaviour was his way of buying her attention.

My girlfriend and I let us read each others' emails, but usually choose not to. But she showed me these and it was a TYPICAL case of the "nice guy". I could see he had a hidden agenda to being nice, but she just figured if he's offering help she'll take it. She never lead him on, never flirted with him and actually he never flirted with her either, but obviously just friendly chatting was never what he wanted afterall!

The moral: "Nice guys" are actually not nice at all. They are a slimy, cowardly and get nasty if they don't get their own way!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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skip2mylou781

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this is VERY true - a GENUINLY nice guy would actually be someone whos suave and sweet naturally and wont flip outta nowhere like that,

an AFC is basically a pathetic manipulative peice of shyt who fakes niceness cuz thats wat he thinks will make girls melt, who flips out on a girl after he himself let her go and didnt seize the chance to even ask her out! and didnt get his way!!!

very very good real life example!!!!
 

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skip2mylou781 said:
an AFC is basically a pathetic manipulative peice of shyt who fakes niceness cuz thats wat he thinks will make girls melt, who flips out on a girl after he himself let her go and didnt seize the chance to even ask her out! and didnt get his way!!!
I agree with you mate. (for a change :))
 

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yea the thing is, if a guy actually WAS nice, like really truly NICE, then technically, he;d have no problem being LJBF'ed by chicks, cuz hey hes just a nice guy and thats how he operates.....but an AFC is all nice and shyt and then when he gets LJBF'ed, he'll "next" the girl right away!!!

****in afcs, at least they make life easier for all the real pimps!
 

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The Truth said:
I thought I would share this little story with you guys about the true nature of a "nice guy" and why women hate them so much.

My girlfriend has been training to become a Geography teacher and during a school event about a year ago had got talking to this guy who was a teacher. He offered her some advice and encouragement and after this short conversation, she never saw him again.

Then about 2 months ago she received an email from this guy. He had been asking around about her and managed to get her email address. Now, instead of asking her out, he did the typical "nice guy" thing and wrote to her offering his advice and any help with teaching. He had researched some things for her and written out some criteria sheet for her. She found it a nice gesture and took him up on his offer.

In 2 months of emailing each other, he never once asked her out, asked if she was single or showed any interest in dating her. He kept telling her how much he enjoys talking to her, put too many kisses on his emails and was obviously supplicating to her by pretending to like everything she likes, but seemed not to have the balls to express his true intentions. Then one day he emailed her and generally asked what she'd been upto over the weekend and my girlfriend mentioned that she had been away with her boyfriend.

His next email was very abusive! He accused her of using him for all the help on teaching, kept going on about how he put himself out for her and how nice he was to her and she showed no grattitude. And worst of all, he started telling her she was too dumb to make it as a teacher anyway!

Basically he threw a tantrum because the girl whose ass he'd spent 2 months kissing had a boyfriend and wasn't interested in dating him. Now all of a sudden all the help he had freely offered and all his "nice" behaviour was his way of buying her attention.

My girlfriend and I let us read each others' emails, but usually choose not to. But she showed me these and it was a TYPICAL case of the "nice guy". I could see he had a hidden agenda to being nice, but she just figured if he's offering help she'll take it. She never lead him on, never flirted with him and actually he never flirted with her either, but obviously just friendly chatting was never what he wanted afterall!

The moral: "Nice guys" are actually not nice at all. They are a slimy, cowardly and get nasty if they don't get their own way!
This is a good story but I have to admit to not finding your girlfriend completely blameless. I'm wondering why she couldn't have worked it in sooner that she was taken. I mean, how did she take all those email emoticons.

That said, that guy was a total chode. Classless too. And at least 85% of the blame lies with him.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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yea if u have alterior motives u gotta get to the point quickly.. fvck pretending.. if u like her sexually, then get to the point that u are into her romantically..

nice guys are pathetic man.. i mean they really go about things the wrong way.. but then again, they really arent that nice. most of them are just schmuckz haha
 

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Any kindness that a woman receives is do to her beauty.
 

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Eh... just coming out and showing interest directly isn't best, sometimes, though...
 

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Wow, sad eh? Some guys are discriminated in here just b'cos they "heed to mama's advice".... Poor teacher, i wonder what he is teaching kids in school?
 
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