"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Taking Girl From Boyfriend
- Thread starter iLoveCookies
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
The hardest factor in getting a girl away from her boyfriend is the obstacle of her having sex with him and not you. 
Harm's Boyfriend destroyer is ideal for handling this though:
http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/techniques/tactics/boyfrienddestroyers/
Harm's Boyfriend destroyer is ideal for handling this though:
http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/techniques/tactics/boyfrienddestroyers/
ThunderMaverick
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"Stealing a girlfriend" Psh. How childish in my opinion. I had a friend, a supposed friend who tried to steal a fuck buddy from me behind my back. She was just too into me to be seduced by this guy, even though we were only messing around for a month.
What everyone here failed to mention here, is how close she is to this guy. How long have they been in a relationship. And will you manipulate and exploit the blemishes of a good relationships for you just to get a measly nut off? Or do you actually care about this broad? There are variables that you have to take a close look at. And it doesn't matter if YOU think you're better than him. It matters if SHE thinks you're better than HIM.
So...Has she shown signs of that? Does she bitch about him? Does she hang out with you alot?
What's the relationship between you two.
Answer me, Cookies.
What everyone here failed to mention here, is how close she is to this guy. How long have they been in a relationship. And will you manipulate and exploit the blemishes of a good relationships for you just to get a measly nut off? Or do you actually care about this broad? There are variables that you have to take a close look at. And it doesn't matter if YOU think you're better than him. It matters if SHE thinks you're better than HIM.
So...Has she shown signs of that? Does she bitch about him? Does she hang out with you alot?
What's the relationship between you two.
Answer me, Cookies.
The Juan and only
Master Don Juan
Da, comrade. soon we will stand invincible.:woo:
wavejams007
Master Don Juan
Mr. Juanandonly, TEAR DOWN THIS POST!
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I had a friend steal my girlfriend. It was great.
Don't get me wrong, I was with her for a long time, and it stung like hell when she hooked up with him, but it must have stung like hell for him to get disowned by every mutual friend we had, not to mention for her to gain a reputation as a slut for cheating, not to mention that he actually got his ass kicked for it by somebody acting on their own accord who just happened to already want to do it but used my situation as an excuse.
The dude was a total tool, lusting after her the whole time I knew him as if I didn't notice, never able to get a girl of his own so he had to hang around waiting for my scraps to fall off the table. I never thought she'd be such a fool to hook up with a desperate loser like him, but I was wrong, and it still doesn't make sense in the conext of everything I know about girls and attraction.
In any case, six months down the road she's proposing to me and I'm blocking her calls, and she has a restraining order against him because he proposed to her months after she broke up with him and had even moved on to another boyfriend and broken up with him.
It all sounds like a big soap opera to me, but really I try to stay out of it all...
just be aware of the drama shyt storm you can create with a situation like this. It's soooo easy, as the guy who got a girl stolen, just to write the girl off as a cheating bytch and move on to some new girls. I knew she'd come back. They alwaayyyss come back.
Trust me if the guy plays his cards right she'll go crazy wanting him back because the unexpected nature of your hookup won't give her the proper pre-meditation to get over him before moving on to you, and what you'll have let is one wreck of a slvt. Stealing girlfriends works both ways, and you end up playing with a 'prize' that nobody wants to keep.
Don't get me wrong, I was with her for a long time, and it stung like hell when she hooked up with him, but it must have stung like hell for him to get disowned by every mutual friend we had, not to mention for her to gain a reputation as a slut for cheating, not to mention that he actually got his ass kicked for it by somebody acting on their own accord who just happened to already want to do it but used my situation as an excuse.
The dude was a total tool, lusting after her the whole time I knew him as if I didn't notice, never able to get a girl of his own so he had to hang around waiting for my scraps to fall off the table. I never thought she'd be such a fool to hook up with a desperate loser like him, but I was wrong, and it still doesn't make sense in the conext of everything I know about girls and attraction.
In any case, six months down the road she's proposing to me and I'm blocking her calls, and she has a restraining order against him because he proposed to her months after she broke up with him and had even moved on to another boyfriend and broken up with him.
It all sounds like a big soap opera to me, but really I try to stay out of it all...
just be aware of the drama shyt storm you can create with a situation like this. It's soooo easy, as the guy who got a girl stolen, just to write the girl off as a cheating bytch and move on to some new girls. I knew she'd come back. They alwaayyyss come back.
Trust me if the guy plays his cards right she'll go crazy wanting him back because the unexpected nature of your hookup won't give her the proper pre-meditation to get over him before moving on to you, and what you'll have let is one wreck of a slvt. Stealing girlfriends works both ways, and you end up playing with a 'prize' that nobody wants to keep.
iLoveCookies
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I am not a communist, I did grow up in a communist country.
That would be more of utilitarian approach but I guess its more egoism disguised as utilitarian :woo:
heh
AFCs try to take girlfriends away. Its a move of desperation.
When an AFC falls in AFC love and then finds out that the girl already has a boyfriend, the AFC comes here and asks about how to "steal her from him".
No one should help these desperate losers.
You dont fix yourself by getting the girl.
You fix yourself and then you get a girl.
AFCs try to take girlfriends away. Its a move of desperation.
When an AFC falls in AFC love and then finds out that the girl already has a boyfriend, the AFC comes here and asks about how to "steal her from him".
No one should help these desperate losers.
You dont fix yourself by getting the girl.
You fix yourself and then you get a girl.
wheelin&dealin
Master Don Juan
Agreed.
I think that this is everyone's favorite line "If she leaves him, she'll leave you..". It's complete bullsh*t. Where do these lines come from? Oprah???
If she leaves some indecisive dork for you then she is very smart and not some sort of cheating wh0re. She's an extremely good decision-maker and probably just made the best decision of her life.
wavejams007
Master Don Juan
agreed here as well. Any girl can leave any guy for any number of reasons, regardless of if she left someone else before.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Exactly. My input on relationships is that if a girl opens herself to advances from another guy or chases the guy even tho she's in a relationship. Chances are good that the relationship was bound to fall apart eventually. Because something was lacking or unfilfilled in the first place. Every person has their own expectations and needs.
On a side note, the drama or idea of cheating behind a SO, is quite adventurous as well. Make sure you draw the line and know where you and her stand. Dont be played for a fool and walk out of this with your heart on your sleeve. if you're comfortable iwth your position great, if it's not what you want then walk away. There are plenty of fish in the sea.
The thing about gf/bf relationships is some of them are together because it fits their comfort zone. In a way they're used to it as if it was a routine. If it's just a routine...and a better guy/girl comes a long, the relationship's going to take a spin.
wheelin&dealin
Master Don Juan
This reminds me of those girls who go out with dorky guys just to say that they have a boyfriend. Obviously they're gonna jump ship when my pimped-out pirate yacht comes by.
Are you delusional?
What makes you so much better than that 'indecisive dork' that you so graciously rescued her from? Trust me, if you're sitting around pining for her and scheming to take her from her boyfriend, than you are no more of a catch than he is.
Besides, such fickle behavior on her part is really indicative of a lack self-control and discipline, which is one of the worst traits that a girl can exhibit. Don't be so stupid as to believe that every girl acts with such a lack of discretion such as to create the inevitable mess that is starting a relationship with one guy before she ends it with another. Even if it's just for her reputation, many girls will at least give a week before dumping one guy before being seen publicly with the next (even if she's banging you in the meantime).
Besides, girls never go completely from one to the next. The first time the douche who hooked up with my GF kissed her she had been swallowing my load just an hour or so earlier - which I did make sure to laugh at him about, many times. How'd my seed taste, sir suave? I even had sex with her a couple of times after she left for him, cutting her off only after the first time she slept with him. Sloppy seconds, anyone? The saddest part was that the tool was twice as jealous of me (and any other guy he thought would move in on her) than I ever was of him.
Now, don't get me wrong, I've also hooked up with chicks that had boyfriends, but I've never thought it out ahead of time like you are doing now. In fact, only once did I do it knowing that she had a boyfriend, and she only mentioned it AFTER she had crawled into my bed with me, at which point I really wasn't in the mood to blue ball myself. I did make sure to let her know that she shouldn't bother trying to call me her boyfriend, because it would never happen.
Oh, but I encourage you to try and turn a ho into a housewife. Chances are she'll end up playing you and that 'indecisive dork' for a fool, as you grin stupidly to yourself thinking you won something she's building up her troop of loyal lapdogs and, congratulations, you're one of them.
As for "If she cheated on him, she'll do it to you" that's the most sensical thing you'll hear because it's true. I've seen it a hundred times, experienced it a couple myself - you can trust a person to do what they've always done. The only remedy to this is to really not care about her, and be ready to drop her in an instant for not living up to your standards of behavior. That's kind of hard to do when you've taken her after she cheated on another man, because what you're really showing her is that you accept cheating behavior.
You're no different than he is, if you really believe that she'd cheat on him but not you. Every other idiot who's girl fvcks around on him behind his back thought that she wouldn't do it to him - oh no he's way too special, it couldn't happen.
iLoveCookies
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I am new so I don't know what an AFC is but by the content of the statements made I think I can figure it out.
I am sorry that my game is not up to par with Tucker Max but whatever. It seems that you imply that I am a loser. You are welcome to think what you want, but I don't really like your unsupported assumptions. In any case losers are defined by today's misguided society so who gives a **** what everybody else thinks. I genuinely like this girl whether she has a boyfriend or not, I actually didn't find out until recently. I knew this girl for like 8 months before I found out she has a boyfriend. I am not one to fix or be fixed , I am not broken. And as far as "stealing" Why do you care what I do. Did you get your **** pushed in by some guy who stole your girlfriend?
Maybe you don't understand but I am willing to face any of the consequences that may arise from attempting what I am doing. I don't want to just hit and bounce, I actually really really like her!
wavejams007
Master Don Juan
cookiemonster, AFC=average Frustrated chump. Have you read the DJ bible? Or done a search? the meanings of some synonyms is in there.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
iLoveCookies
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I dont know how close she is with this guy. They have been dating for a while she claims but I have honestly never heard her talk about him, the only thing I have EVER heard about him is how much of a fag he is because he plays water polo and makes her come to his games. As far as blemishes I manage to talk **** on people quite well and capitalize on their insecurities so I am sure that I will face little problem belittling him. As far as my interest I would not go through this much trouble if I just wanted to hit it and never call her again. I really really like her, she is smart and funny and good looking (hard to find smart and funny girls that are good looking and vice versa around here) I dont know what she thinks about me, we dont have any mutual friends.
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wavejams007
Master Don Juan
That is a risk everyone takes with any relationship, even with marriage unfortunately.
That's a risk people who lack the necessary screening skills take much more than a competent individual, and if you don't see stealing a girl from her boyfriend as a red flag then you clearly fall into the risk taking category.
Cookies, I'm not saying that you can't steal her, or that you shouldn't because it's 'wrong', but I am going to tell you that I can tell from your lack of experience that you do not know enough about women yet to do this -and- protect yourself, the key being making sure that you don't get hurt in the process.
Do you know what an attention wh0re is? Are you aware of the different signs that tells if a girl is interested in you? Do you know what girls TRULY find attractive in a man? Do you know how to keep yourself from being manipulated and controlled in a relationship by a beautiful girl that has been perfecting her control over men for years? Are you experience with dating women enough that you know that, whatever happens with her, you'll be able to move on and find another woman who is likely a better catch anyway and let rejection roll off your back like water off a duck?
If you did not answer yes to all of the above questions, don't even bother stealing somebody's girlfriend until you've gained proper perspective that you can do so without risk getting hurt more than is necessary and actually determine if it's worth doing.
In fact, if you knew the answer to all of that you wouldn't have to ask the question, because you'd know on your own.
wavejams007
Master Don Juan
I am not condoning stealing the gf, Iam just saying that if you don't continualy show yourself to the girl as the best guy for her, anyone can take her away from you.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.