Take women seriously or not?

[BadBoy89]

Touched on this before in other threads, but I have trouble with this.

A lot of the advice from the Alpha men who get all the hot women is “don’t take women seriously”, OK, fair enough, So if a woman says “let’s just be friends” why do men get upset at that and take it seriously? Why isn‘t that brushed off and laughed off like all other things a woman says?

Or if a woman says “We are not having sex tonight.” Does a man take that seriously? Or if a woman says “I never kiss on a 1st date.” Is that serious?

How does a man know when to take a woman seriously?

 

[jhonny9546]

“I never kiss on a first date.”

That can be, or not be, a **** test. Many here will tell you the classic answer,that you should “read between the lines” and kiss her anyway, because that’s obviously what she’s hinting at. But when you stop playing the game and start focusing on other things in your life, your attention shifts elsewhere, and these things start to look like nonsense, no longer a game worth playing.
So you might just say something like, “Alright, I respect that,” or “Good for you,” something that shows you’ve understood it’s her little game, but that you’re not playing because you have better things on your mind.

When a married woman says, “I’m not the kind of woman who cheats,” it can actually mean two things:
either she’s already imagining the two of you in bed, or she’s telling the truth.


It’s always up to the man to decide what to do, but at least make sure she knows that you’ve understood her.
Take yourself seriously.

 

[plumber]

always be respectful. never physically force. never take them serious. yes they might be serious, and they might change there mind when some feeling is activated.

so yes they are always serious but always changing there mind. literally.

when a man takes something serious is is etched into stone. when a women does so, it is etched in the sand. then the wind blows.

best to just not take them serious, but be respectful and polite.

we are not having sex unless i change my mind.
i never kiss on the first date, but sometimes i do.
lets just be friends, until i want more or less.
until death do us part, or maybe sooner.

 

[Solomon]

Taking women serisouly for me means becoming emotionally invested espeically right away
When I was in my 20s I was like most young men an idealist
I would meet a girl and my mind would be of the races of us making love in the future, having a full on relationship etc

You learn really quickly that 80% of women or more you'll never see beyond the first date (and stats back this up)

 

[Barrister]

I think context is important for something like this.

Maybe a better way to approach it is to keep the mood light and give her a hard time (in a gentle, charismatic way, not busting her chops like an ass). "Not taking them seriously" is obviously going to rub a lot of women the wrong way if you are writing off what they are saying immediately during a date and acting like they are little children. Sure, they may act like little children, but treat them that way and you won't be taking them home later.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Touched on this before in other threads, but I have trouble with this.

A lot of the advice from the Alpha men who get all the hot women is “don’t take women seriously”, OK, fair enough, So if a woman says “let’s just be friends” why do men get upset at that and take it seriously? Why isn‘t that brushed off and laughed off like all other things a woman says?

Or if a woman says “We are not having sex tonight.” Does a man take that seriously? Or if a woman says “I never kiss on a 1st date.” Is that serious?

How does a man know when to take a woman seriously?

You need to have some social intelligence to deal with each case on its own merits. There is no universal template.

 

[Tilex]

Isn't the general mantra on sosuave about women making it easy for you if they like you?
What's this metaphorical concept in this thread about getting a chick to go from No to Yes?

oh......... "Don't take her seriously"
Are you fvckin kidding me??
You think I'm gonna waste my time fighting an uphill battle?

If a girl is sabotaging the frame, she wants total control of the dynamic.
She's putting up a wall to block your advances. That means she's not interested.

 

[plumber]

Isn't the general mantra on sosuave about women making it easy for you if they like you?
What's this metaphorical concept in this thread about getting a chick to go from No to Yes?

oh......... "Don't take her seriously"
Are you fvckin kidding me??
You think I'm gonna waste my time fighting an uphill battle?

If a girl is sabotaging the frame, she wants total control of the dynamic.
She's putting up a wall to block your advances. That means she's not interested.

until she changes her mind.

best case is she is green light and wants you. if multiple choice, pick that one.

many will convert to green with encouragement. depends on how much time and if a better option comes available.

if she is cold/cold/cold, your right. move one.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Women speak covertly, and men speak overtly. If a woman gets tired of giving a man signals and he doesn’t catch them, she will start speaking the man’s language, direct and straight to the point.

In this case, you better believe she wants you to take her seriously.

 

[Vanderdonck]

This is about staying in your frame and not walking into hers. Comes from abundance.

A no is a no is a no. There's no reason to be defiant. She is subject to change her mind, that is what the players know. Could happen in the same night. If she never does, that's cool.

Same with the LBJF thing. If you've ever had a friend come around and bang you, you know it's in part because you didn't get upset or butt hurt over her offering friendship.

Women often live in the moment. So believe them when they reject you but also when they seduce you. Take women seriously, they are humans with choices, but don't take "the game" so seriously, it's not a big deal if she doesn't want you in that moment.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I thought the alpha males online all had sex on the first night without knowing her name and then procedurally dumped her the next morning because they gotta keep dat rotation going.

 

[darksprezzatura]

This is about staying in your frame and not walking into hers. Comes from abundance.

A no is a no is a no. There's no reason to be defiant. She is subject to change her mind, that is what the players know. Could happen in the same night. If she never does, that's cool.

Same with the LBJF thing. If you've ever had a friend come around and bang you, you know it's in part because you didn't get upset or butt hurt over her offering friendship.

Women often live in the moment. So believe them when they reject you but also when they seduce you. Take women seriously, they are humans with choices, but don't take "the game" so seriously, it's not a big deal if she doesn't want you in that moment.

Massive bump. This guy^ knows what he’s talking about. Only comes from experience

 

[BadBoy89]

You need to have some social intelligence to deal with each case on its own merits. There is no universal template.

OK that's fair, but "Social intelligence" can be interpreted so many ways.

If a man takes her seriously and fails, its because wasn't smooth enough to bypass her words.
If a man takes her seriously and succeeds, its because he took her seriously.
If a man doesn't take her seriously and fails, he can be arrested.
If a man doesn't take her seriously and succeeds, it because he is player and understands women.

This is about staying in your frame and not walking into hers. Comes from abundance.

A no is a no is a no. There's no reason to be defiant. She is subject to change her mind, that is what the players know. Could happen in the same night. If she never does, that's cool.

Agree, yet I should say the point of the post wasn't about forcing sex on a woman. If a woman doesn't want to, obviously a man leaves it alone.

It was about how to interpret a woman's words.

Same with the LBJF thing. If you've ever had a friend come around and bang you, you know it's in part because you didn't get upset or butt hurt over her offering friendship.

Women often live in the moment. So believe them when they reject you but also when they seduce you. Take women seriously, they are humans with choices, but don't take "the game" so seriously, it's not a big deal if she doesn't want you in that moment.

This isn't about having sex in the moment, this is more about how a woman's words should be interpreted.

If a woman says "lets just be friends" does a man cut all ties and move on?
If a woman says, during dinner, says "we are not having sex tonight" , does a man split the bill and leave?
If a woman says "I don't kiss until I'm in a full blown relationship", does a man cut all ties?
If a woman says "Don't contact me", does that mean a man should try harder?

Just for reference, we are not talking about older women or single mothers or fat women or ugly women or menopausal women. Men know how to deal with them with their eyes closed. We are talking about young good looking women. I don't think the majority of men have so much abundance and wealth that they can find young hot women like finding Pepsi in a convenience store.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Good questions. There's a lot of context and variables at play but here's how I handle it.

If a woman says "lets just be friends" does a man cut all ties and move on?

Nah, I never saw the point of this. I have plenty of options so I'm not going to be offended if she's not attracted. And like I mentioned before, I've had girl "friends" who've come back to bang me.

If a woman says, during dinner, says "we are not having sex tonight" , does a man split the bill and leave?

I wouldn't be on a dinner date in the first place. But no. She can say what she wants. To me it sounds awfully presumptuous, I don't even know if I want to sleep with her yet. Whether we do or not is not that important to me. "Slow down honey, you're moving way too fast for me, I barely know you."

If a woman says "I don't kiss until I'm in a full blown relationship", does a man cut all ties?

Seems extreme and again, presumptuous of her. Maybe just don't take her out anymore since she sounds like a project. Or just tell her straight up "well that's not what I'm looking for" or again "that's moving way too fast."

When women say these things, take them down a peg. They are assuming way too much about what I want.

If a woman says "Don't contact me", does that mean a man should try harder?

No.

 

[inquisitor]

A no is a no is a no. There's no reason to be defiant. She is subject to change her mind, that is what the players know. Could happen in the same night. If she never does, that's cool.

Let me adjust this a little bit.

She is subject to change her mind, that is what the players know. Could happen in the same night. If she never does, then you're doing it right in her own mind.