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Dust 2 Dust, you are an ignoramus. You're an idiot. It is one thing to be scientific illiterate and uneducated but quite another to blazingly ignore factually evidentiary based scientific literacy and education when it is presented before your very eyes. You are a shining example of why the conspiracy theorist worldview is a fundemental failure, for when you enter that erroneous perspective then your line of thinking disintegrates into survival of the unfittest, whereby the most credible sources of information by credible experts are discarded as attempts to "poision your mind" by "disinformation agents" and falsified canards by disreputable sources of information are heralded as truth. It steadily becomes progressively impossible for you to learn and stifens growth as an individual. Enter the conspiracist worldview of a paranoid schizophrenic and even the streetlight outside your house can be viewed as eavesdropping on you.

Back in college, a decade ago, I spent a few semesters as a student assistant on the campus library. It was dry and boring and I hated the work (but loved being around knowledge and couldn't find a better job). The only pleasant aspect was assisting hot chicks from time to time. The Internet has revolutionized the dissemination of information and it really is the world's largest library but the one aspect the Internet has injured public education to its detriment is the dissolution of publication standards. With the filter of information weakened, the signal-to-noise ratio of good-to-bad information has significantly dropped.

Good job on your plagarism. You score a "F".
 

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I read in a book recently that Donald Rumsfeld was a "special" consultant to a fund who owned a stake in the company who manifactures Tamiflu (I forgot the exact names). And Bush was getting a cut too during the Avian flu scare. Why would things be any different with vaccines?
 

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http://www.naturalnews.com/026934_health_public_health_quarantine.html

(NaturalNews) The United States of America is devolving into medical fascism and Massachusetts is leading the way with the passage of a new bill, the "Pandemic Response Bill" 2028, reportedly just passed by the MA state Senate and now awaiting approval in the House. This bill suspends virtually all Constitutional rights of Massachusetts citizens and forces anyone "suspected" of being infected to submit to interrogations, "decontaminations" and vaccines.

It's also sets fines up to $1,000 per day for anyone who refuses to submit to quarantines, vaccinations, decontamination efforts or to follow any other verbal order by virtually any state-licensed law enforcement or medical personnel. You can read the text yourself here: http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sen...

Here's some of the language contained in the bill:

(Violation of 4th Amendment: Illegal search and seizure)

During either type of declared emergency, a local public health authority... may exercise authority... to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises; to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be
decontaminated any building or facility; to destroy any material; to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;

(Violation of 14th Amendment; illegal arrest without a warrant)

...an officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection and shall use reasonable diligence to enforce such order. [Gunpoint]

(Government price controls)

The attorney general, in consultation with the office of consumer affairs and business regulation, and upon the declaration by the governor that a supply emergency exists, shall take appropriate action to ensure that no person shall sell a product or service that is at a price that unreasonably exceeds the price charged before the emergency.

"Involuntary Transportation" (also known as kidnapping)

Law enforcement authorities, upon order of the commissioner or his agent or at the request of a local public health authority pursuant to such order, shall assist emergency medical technicians or other appropriate medical personnel in the involuntary transportation of such person to the tuberculosis treatment center.

$1,000 / day in fines


This consipiracy is looking less and less like a 'theory!' This is textbook NWO type of shyt right here. This is exactly what all the crazy conspiracy theorists have been warning of happening. I sure as hell hope the people remember their duty as Americans and take a stand against this right now! The people involved with passing this law are TRAITORS, and should fvcking HANG.

And to think this is happening in the very place where our founding fathers took a stand and fought for our freedom against the tyrrany of government. They were mocked as conspiracy theorists too!

Anyone here from Mass. that can elaborate on this?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Anyone recognize this? Its from the declaration of independence. All these so-called patriotic people in our country seem to have forgotten this.
 

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This conspiracy is looking less and less like a 'theory!' This is textbook NWO type of shyt right here. This is exactly what all the crazy conspiracy theorists have been warning of happening. I sure as hell hope the people remember their duty as Americans and take a stand against this right now! The people involved with passing this law are TRAITORS, and should fvcking HANG.
shoehorning: the process of force-fitting some current affair into one's personal, political, or religious agenda. So-called psychics frequently shoehorn events to fit vague statements they made in the past. This is an extremely safe procedure, since they can't be proven wrong and many people aren't aware of how easy it is to make something look like confirmation of a claim after the fact, especially if you give them wide latitude in making the shoe fit. It is common, for example, for the defenders of such things as the Bible Code or the "prophecies" of Nostradamus to shoehorn events to the texts rather than truly predict anything.
 

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double pst rewriting my post, as it was erased by the damn illuminati! lol
 

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My computer just went crazy and my whole post was erased.

I was saying, Rogue, that while I really hope you are correct, the article above is straight fact. There is no denying that our constitutional rights are being threatened, and taken away, whether by illuminati or not.

i understand what you're saying about shoehorning, but the biggest principle of the NWO theories is about government using (or fabricating) a crisis, as an excuse to suspend our constitutional rights, and the above article is the most blatant example of this to date. Maybe its just a coincidence, that whenever there is a crisis, more of our rights are taken away, and not returned. We, as Americans cannot allow this to happen, whether it be created by the illuminati, or not. I dont care if there is a shadow government or not, I wont be quiet about our liberties being stolen from us. The funny thing is, the people that oppose the governments crap, are labelled as 'unamerican.'

Like the saying goes, 'just because Im paranoid, doesnt mean they arent out to get me.' I pray there is no illuminati, and while most of the consiracy theories are either BS, or exaggerations, some of them are pretty undeniable, like the mandatory vaccinations.

I think its pretty obvious that this whole Swine Flu 'pandemic' is blown WAY out of proportion. Its the freaking flu! Normal flu's are just as bad, and people die of flu every year. This is just a different strain. I dont know ANYONE who has contracted swine flu, let alone died from it.

Now they want to unconstitutionally FORCE us to get a shot of something that was quickly made, and not tested enough, by police officers with no real medical skills, or they will suspend our rights? Illuminati or not, this is straight tyranny.



EDIT- after delving into the MA government page, they are claiming that there is no mandatory vaccinations, or are planning any, and it was all a bvllshyt hoax/rumor. Thank God! I didnt mean to get everyone hyped up, cuz I sure did!
 
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The swine flu is a man-made virus, just like Aids. If you have not got it, you will get it and other man made viruses - if you take the vaccine that will come out with shortly.

The vaccine already exists - it will be announced shortly - once there's a pandemic among the world population - then they will announce a vaccine has been developed and it will then be sold to governments world wide and someone will make a lot of money - this process of money making is known by such names as: 'government sponsored terror'; 'false flag ops', 'capitalism/socialism'; 'war on the third world' and 'zionist Jew new world order'. Stay alert - STAY AWAY AND DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE (if you do the swine flu will kill you) or any other vaccines for any condition - do not let them vaccinate your children.

Remember these Elitist people do not care about you - so take care of yourself and love your neighbor. There will always be sheep who will say to themselves "swine flu is real, the government controlled scientists would never lie to me!"

NO ONE CAN FIGHT ALONE. REMEMBER, ITS ONLY A CONSPIRACY UNTIL IT KILLS YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE FOR NOTHING. THEN WHO YOU GOING TO CALL FOR HELP. THEY WILL LAUGH AND IGNORE YOU - JUST LIKE YOU WILL IGNORE THIS MESSAGE.
 

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"By the way, half a year prior to 9/11, guys like Alex Jones and William Cooper were talking about globalists crashing planes into trade center and blaming it on their douche Osama Bin Laden. Look for things like William Cooper Predicted 9/11, or Alex Jones predicted 9/11.. Videos are out there and are available for you to see."

Yep.

Bill Cooper predicted it first.

The next false flag that happens will probably have the government setting off a nuke somewhere and blaming some poor Muslim b@stard for it and claiming its a suitcase nuke oh noes quick everyone to the supermarket and grab your ductape!!!

"Any evidence of these allegations?"

The tyranny getting bolder and bolder in this country should be evidence enough.

Did you watch what the little Darth Vaders in black uniforms did to innocent people at the G20 globalist love in?

"Thank you for never engaging in an intelligent discussion."

Says the guy that leaves immature butthurt negative rep without addressing anything in my post.

"Who are “they”?

Their plan is euphemistically called “Sustainable Development” which is a code phrase for Population Extermination! The evil gurus of Population Extermination are the New World Order/Illuminati demonic leaders, including Prince Philip and Prince Charles (and Queen Elizabeth) of England, the (Jewish) Rothschilds who rule the world from the City of London, the (Jewish) Neo-Cons who run the U.S. President, the Senate and the House of Representatives like puppets on a string, and the leaders of almost every country in the world – who are also puppets of the Zionist Jewish elite."


Yep, pretty much right.

Don't expect true reality to break through to the minds of the die hard government boot licks like Rogue though.

Guys like him wholesale believe the received reality and are more than happy to swallow anything reported by one of the talking heads or their paid for "experts".
 

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DarthNihilus said:
"By the way, half a year prior to 9/11, guys like Alex Jones and William Cooper were talking about globalists crashing planes into trade center and blaming it on their douche Osama Bin Laden. Look for things like William Cooper Predicted 9/11, or Alex Jones predicted 9/11.. Videos are out there and are available for you to see."

Yep.

Bill Cooper predicted it first.

The next false flag that happens will probably have the government setting off a nuke somewhere and blaming some poor Muslim b@stard for it and claiming its a suitcase nuke oh noes quick everyone to the supermarket and grab your ductape!!!
Problem with this is that there is almost no chance of any planes even hitting the WTC in the first place. So they rather predicted something that didn't exactly happen.

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN EVOKEN YOU CRAZY MOFO?"

I mean all the videos (amateur and professional) that you and I have seen are FAKE. The planes are just CGI with a fake foreground and background of NY.

"BUT OMG THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS, QUICK LET'S GIVE A KNEEJERK RESPONSE CLAIMING HOW ABSURD AND IRRATIONAL THIS GUY IS!"

Luckily I have proof :up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83iOa_Ndgyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4AlmPyQ4IU

That should get you started.

Then go here: http://www.youtube.com/user/simonshack

And watch the videos, most notably SEPTEMBER CLUES and 9/11 AMATEUR.

Even the famous Naudet footage is fake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZKOqYMbXo

Unplug brothers.

Anyone who attempts to refute this will just show how poor their logic and reasoning skills are. The videos are fake and planes still hit the WTC? Maybe, but there is no way the videos that shown of this happening are real. I don't see the reasoning in faking videos when they could've recorded what really happened.
 

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I think its pretty obvious that this whole Swine Flu 'pandemic' is blown WAY out of proportion. Its the freaking flu! Normal flu's are just as bad, and people die of flu every year. This is just a different strain. I dont know ANYONE who has contracted swine flu, let alone died from it.
You didn't even bother to read the essay I cited and you tell me thanks for the reassurance? The essay is on skeptic.com under eSkeptic. Read it. The expert author is an advisor to Quackwatch, a highly distinguished "international network of people who are concerned about health-related frauds, myths, fads, fallacies, and misconduct."
We, as Americans cannot allow this to happen, whether it be created by the illuminati, or not. I dont care if there is a shadow government or not, I wont be quiet about our liberties being stolen from us. The funny thing is, the people that oppose the governments crap, are labelled as 'unamerican.'
Gimme a break. (Sorry for the firm language but reality needs to be firm.)

If you want to talk about dangerous governments then go visit what was the Soviet Union which now is plagued with organized crime and a prime minister who ordered critics assassinated. Or visit Iran. Or visit the waters of Somalia and how lawless anarchy is destructive. America is the land of the free and that is how it will always be - no thanks to any New World Order mythical beast. There is no proof the Illuminati ever survived past its original context of late 18th century Bavaria. It defies all known sense of reality. And all the hoopla over the "evil" Freemasons, the negative reputation is all bullshït according to real historians who I can academically cite thanks to a documentary on the History Channel. Sure, some Illuminatis may have participated in the French Revolution but so was everybody else and that was what three hundred years ago? Who cares. Sure, maps of Washington DC almost reveal a pentagram in the city street design but it's missing a side and you can probably find similar geographical patterns in other major cities. It's all about finding individual data points to patterns which aren't really there; it's easy finding patterns when you have a pattern in the mind, and once you think you see a pattern it's hard to not see it. It's called pareidolia and this is the historian version. It's an optical illusion. 
 
I work for the state of Florida deciding welfare benefits of food stamp and Medicaid. Yes, there is red tape. Yes, things can be sloppy. Yes, there are frauds and swindles. Yes, journalists get their facts wrong. Yes, different agencies lie to another agency or fight from time to time. Yes, there is waste. But, speaking on behalf of my fellow government colleagues from all branches of government on county, state, and federal levels, we are smart people who do try to advance the positive interests of the country however differing and conflicting those opinions may be as to what are those interests. That is why we have a representative government.

Yes, there are notorious stretches of time when governments abuse power, such as Tuskagee or the Bay of Pigs, but insofar as American history is concerned the good times exceed the pernicious and there are concerete reasons to trust the future will illimunate brighter not dimmer than the past. Yes, the CIA engages in espionage to protect our national security and deals with rogue leaders or criminals such as Miguel Norega or Osama bin Laden to advance some special interest in the clandestine chess game of international politics, but the world is a dangerous place; human societies are cooperative towards its citizens and xenophobic towards outsiders.

People are drawn to conspiracies because they have a psycholgical external locus of control. They need someone in their life even if it's someone they hate. My observation is the top offenders for suspending disbelief of the theories are ethnic minorities, teenagers, criminals, and the mentally ill. They all lack control.
(excerpt from "Why People Believe Conspiracies" by Michael Shermer as published in Scientific American)

Conspiracies do happen, of course. Abraham Lincoln was the victim of an assassination conspiracy, as was Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand, gunned down by the Serbian secret society called Black Hand. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy (although some conspiracists think Franklin Roosevelt was in on it). Watergate was a conspiracy (that Richard Nixon was in on). How can we tell the difference between information and disinformation? As Kurt Cobain, the rocker star of Nirvana, once growled in his grunge lyrics shortly before his death from a self-inflicted (or was it?) gunshot to the head, “Just because you’re paranoid don’t mean they’re not after you.”

But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

Why do people believe in highly improbable conspiracies? In previous columns I have provided partial answers, citing patternicity (the tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise) and agenticity (the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agents). Conspiracy theories connect the dots of random events into meaningful patterns and then infuse those patterns with intentional agency. Add to those propensities the confirmation bias (which seeks and finds confirmatory evidence for what we already believe) and the hindsight bias (which tailors after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened), and we have the foundation for conspiratorial cognition.
Damn, I'm a good writer. I'm done with this site. Not to say never again, and I will read responses, but this here is the perfect place to stop.
 

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^ people like you make me sick. You're leaving the site? Good, fvck off.
 

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Rogue said:
People are drawn to conspiracies because they have a psycholgical external locus of control. They need someone in their life even if it's someone they hate. My observation is the top offenders for suspending disbelief of the theories are ethnic minorities, teenagers, criminals, and the mentally ill. They all lack control.Damn, I'm a good writer. I'm done with this site. Not to say never again, and I will read responses, but this here is the perfect place to stop.
Heh, someone should do a study on the positive correlation between the number of conspiracy theories a guy believes and the number of women who find him utterly repulsive.

If I ever second guessed my decision to GTFO of here, retarded diatribes like this help cement it for me.

How many posts left? 18? Why does that seem like a lot?
 

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DarthNihilus said:

The next false flag that happens will probably have the government setting off a nuke somewhere and blaming some poor Muslim b@stard for it and claiming its a suitcase nuke oh noes quick everyone to the supermarket and grab your ductape!!!



i believe this as well. Right now they're looking for any excuse they can get to go to war with Iran.
 

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I hear nothing about this swine flu now. It was on the news every day until a few months ago and now there is nothing. It can't be that bad then. :whistle:
 

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"The 1976 swine flu. In February, 1976 a strain of H1N1 influenza similar to the 1918 strain killed a soldier at Fort Dix. Officials feared a pandemic and over-reacted".

90% of this is infact incorrect - the soldier actually had normal flu, not swine flu and it developed into pneumonia.

Over-reacting is spot on though, just like our current bunch of tw**s in office.

also

"2009 - There were 5,011 hospitalizations and 302 deaths"

These 302 deaths are actually caused by other problems then just swine flu - something our government's are not free to let up on in the information stakes. Most if not all had other underlining problems.

Also I believe 'swine flu (as in pigs flu - Yes that is what it is, a flu that is supposed to have come from PIGS) is in-fact a flu created in a lab that has ZERO effect on Pigs and is passed from human to human!

Swine flu is called has such because it was believed to come from pigs, but no pig has had swine flu - It's a big con. Swine flu is a varient of other flu's including bird flu - to name but one - mixed in a lab - 100% certain of that.

Also Rogue, you cant claim your an intellectual and then back up your arguments with 'argumentum ad hominem' - that does not look smart, it looks juvenile.
 

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Courtesy of MADDOX http://maddox.xmission.com/

"I just deleted my mom's number from my cell phone. That's because she called me in a panic after seeing a special on CNN about swine flu asking me what she should do. How about getting a clue, mom? Idiot.

You're all idiots. If you've spent more than a few minutes worrying about swine flu, you are an idiot. That's because it only takes a few minutes to look up the symptoms, mortality rate, and treatment to realize that it's no different from the common flu (which kills way more people and by extension is way more awesome), and going back to whatever it is you were doing, which was probably turning off CNN and canceling your cable subscription. In fact, worrying at all makes you an idiot. Why worry? Cowards worry and there is a 100% overlap between people who worry and people who regularly make cowardly decisions. That's why natural disasters kick so much ass. You never really know when they're going to hit, so you might as well let go and stop being such a scared ***** all the time. You'll cross the bridge of death when you get to it. Time to start taking risks, *******! Quit your job. Quit answering your boss' calls during your time off. Go do something with your life. Jesus!

Which leads me to why swine flu is stupid. If I were to worry about anything—and I don't—swine flu would be pretty near the bottom of the list. Here's a list of things that are a higher priority of things to worry about:


Dying alone.
Not getting recognized for your genius.
Settling for a ****ty job.
Getting married.
Just to be clear, not getting married isn't a problem, getting married is. Most people, due to fears of dying alone, will marry some jackass because they think nothing better will come along. They're usually right. But even if you find someone who isn't a total ****, marrying them will ruin everything because marriage is a false institution, and a waste of time and money. Cancel that big wedding party and buy a house, dip****s! Nobody wants to go to wedding parties. Besides, big gatherings lend themselves to communicable diseases. Holy **** that was a sweet transition. For those of you still not convinced that swine flu is bull****, here's a list of symptoms for swine flu versus the regular flu:



See no difference? That's because there is no difference. Quit closing schools down every time someone gets swine flu, morons!

The problem isn't swine flu, but people talking about it (this article withstanding, because I'm the exception to every rule, that rule withstanding). Remember SARS? More bull****. Fewer than 800 people died from it world wide. Yet the news networks prattled on about it for months. Now the slow news cycle lends itself to talking about swine flu ad nauseum even though there's already a vaccine for it. Oh, didn't know there was a vaccine? Yeah there has been a vaccine for it in the works almost since the beginning, rendering this non-issue even more irrelevant.

I will never take the swine flu vaccine because I already have it; it's called my immune system, and it's badass. I have never gotten sick in my life. My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal. Your best defense against getting swine flu is to be me. Your second best defense is to have me cough in your face.

In fact, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is:

Swine Flu Challenge:

I'm holding a contest because I want to get swine flu just to prove how stupid it is. If I get it (unlikely), I will document my recovery on Youtube for the entire duration. Expect a short video. Here's what I'm willing to do:

Contest Rules:



One lucky person will get the opportunity to fly me out to where you live* for one night**, and you get to sneeze in my face.
Winner must provide a proof of having swine flu (signed doctor blood test or something along those lines).
Winner must not have any other bull**** diseases. I don't want your herpes, even though I can't get them.
* First class accomodations only.
** Winner must pay for at least one night of hotel accomodations (5 star or higher) unless you are a hot chick and want me to crash at your place. I will sleep in your bed and you will sleep on the couch. Winner must also agree to let me try on all their clothes and eat their food.
This contest is real. Email me if you have swine flu and are willing to fly me out to sneeze in my face. Don't email me unless you're serious and unless you have the money to fly me out first class. I'm totally serious about getting swine flu, but I have other **** to do too, so your window of opportunity is limited. You must fly me out between September 7, 2009 and September 21, 2009 because I'll be on book tour before then. If you miss your window of opportunity, too bad. Plan better next time and don't get sick unless I hold a contest. Make it happen."
 

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"Claim: It usually takes several years to test a drug and show that it is safe, but the swine flu vaccine is going to be fast-tracked for quick approval.

Fact: A new flu vaccine has to be developed every year to respond to the new strains that are constantly evolving. Time does not allow for the same kind of testing we require for approval of a new pharmaceutical. Time is even shorter for the swine flu this year. We have a lot of experience in producing new flu vaccines every year, and there is no reason to suspect that this year’s batches will be any more dangerous than usual. Because of fast-tracking, we will be monitoring very closely for side effects. We have a choice between fast-tracking and being prepared for a serious outbreak, or being slow and cautious and totally unprepared".

Both of these are just 'claims' - neither is concrete fact.

Plus, i'd rather know what i'm going to inject in my system than not, regardless if it takes a little longer to find the vaccine - Also lets look at it on a logical angle - According to your post, the Authorities have known about swine flu for over a 100 years - Yet they have to FAST TRACK a new vaccine? MMmm I guess 2+2 equals 15.

"Claim: Mercola says “Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature.”

Fact: Nature kills people. Doing something contrary to nature is what medicine is all about. It’s a good thing".

Both are true - To a certain degree. but "it's a good thing" is not always the case - this again is a Claim, not a fact! it's just a biased statement, just like the first one is - neither is correct, but both have merit.

"In a recent survey5, 30 percent of Americans believed that there had been a case of smallpox in the United States in the past five years, and 63 percent thought there had been a case somewhere in the world in the past five years."

Though this has merit, it does not mention the fact that docters get it wrong too - How many cancer victims have been miss-dyagnosed? Also lets fact real FACT HERE - Not all people who have a docters licence e.t.c. agree with the Swine Flu vaccine -
 

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jonwon said:
"Claim: It usually takes several years to test a drug and show that it is safe, but the swine flu vaccine is going to be fast-tracked for quick approval.

Fact: A new flu vaccine has to be developed every year to respond to the new strains that are constantly evolving. Time does not allow for the same kind of testing we require for approval of a new pharmaceutical. Time is even shorter for the swine flu this year. We have a lot of experience in producing new flu vaccines every year, and there is no reason to suspect that this year’s batches will be any more dangerous than usual. Because of fast-tracking, we will be monitoring very closely for side effects. We have a choice between fast-tracking and being prepared for a serious outbreak, or being slow and cautious and totally unprepared".

Both of these are just 'claims' - neither is concrete fact.

Plus, i'd rather know what i'm going to inject in my system than not, regardless if it takes a little longer to find the vaccine - Also lets look at it on a logical angle - According to your post, the Authorities have known about swine flu for over a 100 years - Yet they have to FAST TRACK a new vaccine? MMmm I guess 2+2 equals 15.
Vaccines are bvllsh1t. It was the increase in sanitation that helped control the likes of the coummincable diseases of the last century. Vaccine companies took the credit, and the public at large, being the numskulls they are, lapped it up, and made drug companies, esp those that produce vaccines, some of the richest most powerful corporate institutions in the world.

Louie Pasteur on his deathbed: "the germ is nothing the milieu interieur is everything"
 

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Zunder said:
Vaccines are bvllsh1t. It was the increase in sanitation that helped control the likes of the coummincable diseases of the last century. Vaccine companies took the credit, and the public at large, being the numskulls they are, lapped it up, and made drug companies, esp those that produce vaccines, some of the richest most powerful corporate institutions in the world.

Louie Pasteur on his deathbed: "the germ is nothing the milieu interieur is everything"
I agree Zunder - The HPV vaccine for girls of 14 - has just claimed its first death, in my estimation thats almost on par with Swine flu - The real statistics.
 

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Modern medicine is firmly founded on the "Germ Theory of Disease" promulgated by Louis Pasteur in the 1860's. Pasteur's 140-year-old theory is still the medical paradigm upon which Western medicine fights disease as we enter the 21st century.

But with a huge increase today in infectious diseases and the rapidly rising epidemic of cancer, diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses; we have to wonder if Pasteur's theory is really that sound.

Consider this alarming statistic from a report commissioned by the Nutrition Institute of America in October, 2003: 2.2 million hospital patients suffer Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) to prescribed medicine each year leading to the deaths of 106,000 people. In other words, over 2,000 Americans die each week from properly prescribed medicine in properly prescribed doses.

This is a serious indictment of pharmaceutical medicine which is inextricably based on Pasteur's germ theory.

According to Pasteur:

· Germs, or microbes, cause disease
· Germs invade the body from the outside, i.e., air, water, or food
· Human blood is sterile and can only be infected by outside microbes
· Germs are monomorphic, i.e., they have only one form and can be identified by species
· Specific diseases are caused by specific germs
· Germs should be killed by pharmaceutical drugs

In the 1870s Pasteur's germ theory was developed further by William Koch, a contemporary and rival of Pasteur, whose proofs of the germ theory are still known today as "Koch's Postulates". See Koch's Postulates at (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch's_postulates)

Basically, Koch's contribution to the germ theory was to prove that a specific type of germ caused a specific disease, that the germ would be found in all people suffering from that particular disease but not healthy people, and that every person exposed to these germs would fall ill with disease.

However, Koch had to abandon part of his first postulate when he discovered that healthy people could carry the germs of certain diseases and yet show no symptoms. He also had to revise his third postulate when it was shown that some people could be exposed to virulent germs yet not catch the disease.

The "proofs" of the new Germ Theory were already showing flaws.

Still, despite being highly controversial in the late 1800s, the Germ Theory was quickly adopted by the medical powers of the day. This new theory about germs invading from outside the body empowered the medical and pharmaceutical industry as guardians of human and animal health. People became dependent on the fledgling medical/drugs industry for information and protection from disease. Thus, Modern Medicine was born.

A number of eminent scientists opposed Pasteur and The Germ Theory, most notably the highly respected Professor Antoine Béchamp. Béchamp was a reserved, modest man and a much more distinguished scientist than the self-promoting chemist, Louis Pasteur. (It is believed today that Pasteur stole much of Béchamp's work and passed it off as his own. This prompted R.B. Pearson to write a book in the 1940s called "Pasteur, Plagiarist, Imposter.") See text at (http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html)

Béchamp and other scientists believed in the theory of pleomorphism, that a microbe could evolve through many forms from virus to bacterium to yeast to fungus to mold and could even de-evolve back to a pre-virus again. Béchamp could see this evolution and de-evolution clearly in his microscope. Big Medicine rejected pleomorphism back then just as it will not even look at pleomorphic phenomena filmed and documented by scientists today, such as Dr. Robert O. Young in San Diego, California.

Another of Béchamp's contemporaries, Claude Bernard, expounded on the pleomorphic theory and said that the inner terrain or "milieu interieur" was the cause of disease, and not microbes. It was discovered that acidic blood and tissue provide a terrain that is ideal for disease to develop. When the terrain becomes acidic, microbes evolve into pathogenic forms and carry out the work nature designed them to do – as cleaners and undertakers, scavenging inflamed or infected tissue.

The acidity or acid/alkaline balance of the blood is measured by pH, the potential of Hydrogen, see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH) and is a very important marker for good health. The blood will do all it can to keep its pH at 7.365, or slightly alkaline. It will even strip alkaline reserves like calcium from the bones to buffer a rise in acidity. (This can lead to a condition labelled by modern medicine as osteoporosis.)

When the pH drops, even by .1, the increase in acidity is interpreted by the microbes, already present in the body in their billions, as a sign of a dead or dying body. This prompts them to morph from benign bacteria into virulent yeast and mold so that they can reduce the body to the dust from whence it came.

Even Pasteur eventually realized the truth of this and on his death-bed said that "Bernard was right... the microbe is nothing; the terrain is everything." But Big Medicine now chose to ignore him. They sensed that the germ theory provided a gilt-edged opportunity to amass a huge fortune.

Béchamp and others in the scientific community opposed the germ theory and advocated the theory of pleomorphism, saying:

· Acidic terrain, not germs, cause disease
· Germs are already in the body by the billions and don't necessarily have to come from without (although that can sometimes happen)
· Blood is not sterile but can contain many microbial forms
· Germs are pleomorphic, i.e., they can change through many forms (Dr Gaston Naessens identified a microbe undergoing 16 different stages of evolution)
· Virtually all diseases are caused by acidic terrain
· Diseases can be prevented or reversed by increasing the alkalinity of the terrain

What led Professor Béchamp to formulate his pleomorphic theory was the discovery of great numbers of small grainy objects in live blood samples which he observed through his microscope. Many of his contemporaries dismissed these tiny life forms as laboratory contamination which were of no importance. But they intrigued Béchamp. He named them "microzymas" or "little bodies".

He found microzymas present in every cell in the bloodstream, in animals, in plants, and even in rocks. He found them present in the remains of dead animals many years after the animal's body had withered away to dust. He observed that in a healthy organism, microzymas work at repairing and nourishing all cells; but when the terrain becomes acidic, the microzymas morph into viruses, bacteria, yeast, fungus, and mold and prepare to break the host down.

Béchamp's work was ignored, ridiculed, suppressed, and soon forgotten. Down through the years, some scientists discovered pleomorphic phenomena for themselves - Enderlein, Rife, Reich, Livingston-Wheeler, Naessens, and more recently, in the U.S., Dr. Robert O. Young (San Diego) and Dr. David Jubb (New York). Most had no recourse to the works of earlier scientists and thought that their discoveries were unique to them. Like Béchamp before them, they too found their discoveries ignored or suppressed.

All of them were fascinated with the "little bodies" that Béchamp had called "microzymas". Enderlein called them "protits", Livingston-Wheeler called them "Progenitor cryptocides", and Naessens called them "somatids". But all found that they couldn't destroy these "little bodies" even when subjecting them to excessive carbonizing temperatures or high dosage radiation.

Dr. David Jubb calls them "Colloids of Life" and says that they are indestructible. They resist "enormous heat, radiation, and chemicals and can reside in petrochemical solution, in hot rock deep within the Earth, in meteorites and in radioactive water inside nuclear power stations. Upon the loss of life of its host, colloid of life return to the earth. A colloid of life is the unknown factor between the animate and the inanimate." (Jubbs Cell Rejuvenation, p.14.)

That last sentence has quite a resonance. Dr. Jubb is saying that colloids of life, or microzymas, are the smallest observable life forms between spirit and matter.

We still have a lot to learn about life, medicine, and healing but we need to approach these things with an open, inquisitive mind.

How long will it take modern medicine to accept that germs don't cause disease but only appear as a result of disease? Who will fund research into the pleomorphic work begun by Béchamp, Enderlein, Rife and others? Who is brave enough to confront Big Pharma's doctrinaire, Pasteurian approach to drug based medicine?

When a group of people are exposed to a virus or food toxin, modern medicine examines only those who get sick. What they should do is examine those who didn't get sick. One would no doubt find that the sick people had acidic blood and tissue while those who didn't succumb to the virus/toxin were alkaline. Therein lies the key to health.

Disease cannot take hold in an alkaline body. An alkalising diet and way of living can prevent and reverse disease. But don't expect this to be endorsed by orthodox medicine – there's no profit in it.

Recommended reading: "Sick And Tired..." and "The pH Miracle" by Dr. Robert O. Young, "Rethinking Pasteur's Germ Theory" by Dr. Nancy Appleton, "Alkalize Or Die" by Dr.T.A. Baroody, "The Cancer Cure That Worked" by Barry Lynes, "Jubbs Cell Rejuvenation" by Dr. David Jubb, and "The Blood And Its Third Anatomical Element" by Prof. Antoine Béchamp.
 
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