Surrealism dead?

[arq-dj1]

What happened to surrealism?

I mean, remember the AFC days? u dreaming about your one-its?
that state, not only about women, but about life.

We striving to become djs, accept reality and become more realistics.. Consequently, we don't fly that often, we stop idealizing and tripping away... Thats good, but imagine if u could have both of the worlds? that idealization and a reality of a dj?

not for women, u say...

but i say that in a few cases, where the dj found the real women to share his dreams with, he may start falling back to the state of surrealism, if his mind let him... or he could stay forever in that guard mode, not letting himself be totally absorved by his so called reality

Choosing the guard mode prevents him to fall for his imagination, but can compromise his full-unawareness of reality, which is what his mind works with to idealize, imagination itself...

To sum it up, do you guy think that being on a state of total control makes things less interesting?

 

[whistler]

I know what you're saying.

I think part of it is just growing older though.

For some reason, you dream less, and your thoughts are more pragmatic.

I think I could appreciate my life more if I could still see with the eyes of my youth.

I almost feel cheated.

If I were in my current situation back then, I'd be swimming in a dreamy, ecstatic, surreal, happy world.

(not trying to be poetic here)

 

[MetalFortress]

I strived and strived not to kill off that world while I learnt about how to get what I wanted. While I might not have the absolute best of either world, I have very nearly the best of both. I intentionally leave some things to mystery, because I have no desire to become cold and calculating. A sense of adventure is needed.

 

[aBAzLLnA]

Ignorance is bliss...to some degree.

To answer your question about being in a total state of control, I don't think it makes things less interesting at all. In fact, I think it's even MORE interesting, to the point where everything makes so much sense. The way I live now, I control everything about myself, my world, my feelings. With this control I can see things much more clearly, therefore, nothing worries me, furthermore, life is amazing. On the other hand, back in the "AFC" days, I was plagued with troubles that in retrospect were a total waste of time...

Now to respond to your DJ guard mindset. I'll tell you from experience that I've found my perfect girl. I can honestly tell you right now, that my "DJ" days are over, and I'm putting away everything that I've learned, because now, I don't need it. With her though, I gave it sometime before I let my guard down, to make sure she was for real, and when I was 100% sure, I let her into my heart.

Therein lies the problem, this site teaches you to guard your heart and pick up chicks, but it doesn't teach you what to do when you actually have a girl that's worth your time and energy. It doesn't teach you that love exists, and that it's a wonderful thing. Instead, it molds you into an apathetic, emotionless creature that has understood the art of picking up chicks to a point where it's all mechanics. But the system crashes when you find a girl you can fall in love with. Because all of a sudden you're in a whoooooole new ball game.

PS: Based on the title, I thought this post was gonna be about art lol

 

[MetalFortress]

"Therein lies the problem, this site teaches you to guard your heart and pick up chicks, but it doesn't teach you what to do when you actually have a girl that's worth your time and energy. It doesn't teach you that love exists, and that it's a wonderful thing. Instead, it molds you into an apathetic, emotionless creature that has understood the art of picking up chicks to a point where it's all mechanics. But the system crashes when you find a girl you can fall in love with. Because all of a sudden you're in a whoooooole new ball game."

^I'll drink to that. And I don't even drink.

 

[JonJack]

With regards to aBAzLLnA's post.

That's the most wisdom I've seen in these boards. I'll join in drinking to that too.

 

[arq-dj1]

thanks for commenting guys

I see your point aBAzLLnA, i can see that you talk from experience.

Total control may lead to a no-goal path. As we seen here, some djs after getting the big picture just don't see purpose in dating, some even in life. Probaly this event is in your theory about this site not delving in the subject when you actually meet someone "perfect" for you.

Now after a few months here, i pretty much can say i know how to deal with women, therefore realising a lot of anger i had and improving the only part of my life i hadn't had control.

However, to be totally honest, i still miss that nosense, dreaming mind i had. I think that, when you finally get that you can't be saved by any exterior means, but only within yourself, your responses to every new event is blurred. Maybe the true joy comes when you start seeing art where there isn't (paradox if you consider art the saying "art is what man want to be art"), when you honestly find beauty in
everything, not specting any reward.

 

[Julian]

Ive always been a dreamer so my surreal fantasys have never gone away.

 

[wavejams007]

People shouldn't disscourage dreaming. People who have no dreams usually have nothing.

 

[arq-dj1]

Originally posted by wavejams007
People shouldn't disscourage dreaming. People who have no dreams usually have nothing.

it's dreaming, and consequently idealization of a possible reality...

 

[Q-Pid]

Don Juans can be surreal - just not surrealists. You can be surreal - but don't make surrealism the definition of who you are - Women tend to look for stable relationships - not surreal ones.

 

[aBAzLLnA]

Total control may lead to a no-goal path. As we seen here, some djs after getting the big picture just don't see purpose in dating, some even in life.

That's the trap you fall into when you learn the philosophy behind this site, and when I mean learn, I mean truly understand. The site just teaches you how to meet women and get the ball rolling, but a by-product of this is that you learn to not give a **** about anything, and you realize that most relationships are pointless. If you go to an extreme, you begin to see women as a mere pleasure tool, and you don't appreciate them. It's interesting, because each person will take something different from the site's philosophy, may it be the light side or the dark side. It could turn someone into a total player or a wonderful lover.

Anyway, there isn't anything wrong with missing the nonsense, I guess. But I dunno why one would even want to remember that stuff lol.

I think that, when you finally get that you can't be saved by any exterior means, but only within yourself, your responses to every new event is blurred.

Explain, I'm not too sure what you're referring to.

when you honestly find beauty in everything, not specting any reward.

Amen.

 

[arq-dj1]

Originally posted by aBAzLLnA
Explain, I'm not too sure what you're referring to.
Amen.

when i said that ur responses to events are blurred, i meant that as you already control everything (not that u actually do, but your mindset allow you to think that way), you don't see challenges anymore, you don't any reason to keep doing whatever you are doin'

 

[squirrels]

You're saying you would rather DREAM your daydreams than LIVE them?

Certainly, it gives you more flexibility to live those experiences in the daydream world, but reality is much more...vivid.

 

[Luveno]

What this website does is mechanize the process of attracting women. It's like an instruction manual.

For AFCs thats great. When I was one, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. However, after reading Doc Love for a bit I became quite adept at the game. Nobody could touch my success.

However, it all felt like a show. I didn't really feel like that was me talking. No, it wasn't because I had no confidence. I gained a lot of confidence... it just felt like I was really good at the game by doing it that certain way everyone else does it...

But after a while, you get bored. What, you say? Bored of getting girls? Yes. You get bored of going to whatever public assembly and romanticizing some girl with C&F and all those other acronyms. It just feels like there's more to life.

...and there is. It got into my head then that I have probably 6 decades left of life, and there's too much to do to be wasting it on picking up girls. If they want me they can come get me, I'm not going to exert myself for them.... That is when I got my dreams back.

A true DJ lives to enjoy life and improve himself. He does not take heed in others' negative opinions, or to useless criticism. What he does do is take what he enjoys in life and improves it, and learns new things. For instance, I was reading the post about "dealing with crap from chicks + success with an actress" and the dude outlined all these amazing things that this girl did: she was a genius, a dancer, good looking etc. The first thing that came to my mind was not "man, I want a girl like that"...no..it was "Man, she can do a lot. I will learn how to do more"


So, overall, dreams do disappear when one starts the game, but they come back once the game becomes usual.

 

[aBAzLLnA]

The dreams actually never go away. They just change in form, it's all relativistic. Your dream as an "AFC" is essentially to become the "DJ" that gets all the chicks. As you journey down the road, your dream changes form, your outlook on life manipulates it into something more meaningful.

"Man, she can do a lot. I will learn how to do more"

Compare this dream with "I will get all the women I want", and you see that both are legit dreams, but one is more mature than the other.

 

[Hemingway]

At first I thought this was a thread about Salvador Dalí

I do think that being in a state of total control makes things less interesting. Especially when the girl does the AFC behavior that I have learned never to do again, I lose respect for her. When I was an AFC I let my own high interest level propel me into a state of surreal desire, head-over-heals longing, and unrealistic yearning. Now I am so uninvested in the outcome of an encounter that I feel disconnected from love and passion. Does that make sense?

 

[arq-dj1]

i guess that dreamin' world we had in AFC days were more special, were more magical... " omg the shining princess will save me from my lonelyness and dispair"...

now we see thats totally stupid.

We see reality, and dudes, reality is boring compared to that world.. but more vivid, not a illusion


perfect match, vivid world + dreaming world