Suave Dave's Second Log Of Progress

[suavedave]

Suave Dave's Second Log Of Progress

A Collection of Reports
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Today was definitely up and down. I'm starting to get better at noticing the state I'm in -- sometimes I'm sarging but nothing's working. Other times it's a totally different story.

Today I incorporated HUMOUR a great deal more into my set -- kind of doing improv; just walk up to the chick and be funny. The thing was that I started considering getting a kick out of humour was more alluring than the lay.

(1) This one made me laugh: I see a two-set at a pay phone, one of them holding a paper with a number on it: reading off the paper to make the call. I say, "I think that's the wrong number....." Strange reaction and I walk away.

(2) Two chicks sitting on the ground in a bookstore. I walk up and say, "Is that seat taken?" HUGE laughter/reaction that kind of startles me.

(3) Go upstairs in the bookstore and a chick is checking out books. She's in a cooking section. I say, "Oh cook book." Her: "Yea." Me: "Oh, great are you going to make me something?" It's a hell of a lot better to end the opening on a light note than simply walking away.

 

[suavedave]

18/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches
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18/02/2004 2.5 11

(1) The first girl was a chick I had seen at a club before. This girl really struck out and just from a distance there was something I liked about her. Despite her having a guy with her I approached her friend, asked her name, etc. Today I saw her and pulled something AFC: after conversing for a time I gave her _my_ number: I decided today I'd never do that again if I didn't get hers also. That was the negative.

Aside from that I had the chance to run a lot of game on her. What I'm experiencing a lot from chicks is what I think TD calls "lock-up" -- where the chick is simply cold. She is responsive but doesn't react favorably to kino. I couldn't break her out but the positive was that I had the chance to run game on her and try and get her unlocked.

(2) Another girl I saw as she was getting off the subway. I noticed her when I got on then when I got off I walked ahead, then turned around and said something: "Nice bag." We chatted and as we walked up I managed to set a meeting with her. She asked if she could bring her friend but I politely said that wouldn't be good. Then I kind of INSISTED that she doesn't and, I think this use of force was what caused her to comply to meet but in the end not show up.

If anyone has suggestions for UNLOCKING techniques that would be much appreciated. The trend lately is doing a successful opener, getting the conversation but simply not able to escalate.

 

[suavedave]

19/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches
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19/02/2004 2 12

Well, here's another one. This is about a chick I PU'd earlier this week. I sat down across from and started chatting, got her @ and set a meet for today.

We met and it was a TOTAL reversal from the way she was before. When she left last time she was a bit hesitant at the end (compared to the conversation). But to sum it all up it all up: I tried to seduce her through "caveman kino" (credit: MrSex4UNYC) but in the end got rejected.

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[suavedave]

20/2/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches
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20/02/2004 0.75 6

History tends to repeat itself so they say. Well, I'm experiencing this quote time and time ahead. Here's an experience from last night:

FR++: History tends to repeat itself

I approached this girl/was doing approaches despite the fact that I didn't feel like it. I used the saying, "If you wait to feel confident to do something... you'll wait forever -- the longer you wait the less confidence you'll have." So I approached anyway, got one weird reaction. Her initial response was great, then when I started speaking her IL went down IMMEDIATELY. It was odd, I guess she got a bad vibe off me.

The next approach was golden, we chatted a while and yes (you've seen this in my other reports) before you know it we're walking down the street holding hands. Well this girl was really holding my hand, almost squeezing it.

We are chatting, talking about favorite actors, mainly fluff talk and then sit down. We look at each other and she gives me the eye to kiss, I go for it but it doesn't go well. There is a lot of kino; mostly from me. I move her hand over to my pants and she has her hand on me... then, like she did with my hand squeezed it firmly.

We're holding, talking, then look deeply into each other's eyes and kiss, hold each other tight (more kino). I suggest we go somewhere else, she com plies but then tells me that she has to go baby sitting. I think that perhaps it's because my EC broke off as we were getting up; anyway I suggest another place and we sit down again.

The next place was a bit more public. There is major LMR here and I ask her (ala HBFunny) to go back and experience
the feeling when she decided to stay with the guy. I try this a few times then she gives me a kiss (like I'm a ****ing child) and says she has to go. I drink the rest of the hot-chocolate, turn to her and with an angry look say goodbye and take off.




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[suavedave]

21/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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21/02/2004 1.5 17 1

Not a lot to mention here. I made an attempt to do EC PUs; spent a lot of time on the street. Only once did I feel that there was EC such that any sort of connection was made. Gotta pick your battles.

Another PU from the store. I approached her and started chatting. She's planning to go to Hawaii and a few seconds into the conversation she asked if I knew about it. Again, brought her outside, resumed conversation. But I could sense that she wanted to turn so we slowly, in conversation made our way back. I suggested another meeting monday.

 

[suavedave]

22/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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22/02/2004 2 20 0

I devoted nearly the entire time today to doing non-verbal approaches. The order, according to social scientists is "eye-body, eye-eye, voice-voice." Typically what I do is "eye-body, voice-voice."; that is, I don't want for EC before I approach. So I tried something different today.

**** is this way of sarging annoying. Basically what seems to happen is you spend a lot of time in the vicinity/looking at HBs but, at least today, without EC.

I was verbal with one chick, and when she responded I immediately backed off. As those that read my other reports (e.g. http://fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=4&mn=1069235414114783) I prefer JGirls. When I encounter CBC (canadian born chinese) their voices/accents tend to throw me off and I jet; same story yesterday despite a decent reaction.



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[suavedave]

23/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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23/02/2004 2.25 11 0

EC started and ended the day of sarging. Non-verbal sarging seems to be where it's at: getting EC /smiles/hello's while going about one's business seems to be where it's at and is becoming an obvious area to work on.

Today I met the chick from the 21/02/2004 report. As soon as I met her I knew there was no immediate physical attraction; here, of course, is where mASF comes in! Spent the conversation leading her to emotional states (turns out she travelled to brazil.

I noticed that when we hit upon that topic the whole atmosphere changed; suddenly there was vibrancy and real emotional charge behind her words; she totally livened up. Another point that was a "high" was where she was talking about what's important to her in a relationship. She said she really needs the other person to want to understand her and have a strong desire to get to know her at a deeper level. This one's tough; great, good practice.


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[PuertoRican_Lover]

Suave Dave,

Are you getting any meaningful dates out of this? You were holding hands and kissing a girl in the street that you just met 30 seconds ago??? Where is her number? Are you kiss closing b4 number closing?

 

[suavedave]

KC

Good comment. I was speaking with someone and maybe I'm being too hard on myself. I never though a year ago I'd be necking with a chick after such a short time. But close is, absolutely, only good in horseshoes. The true Master, IMHO will look at the process and not the outcome.

 

[suavedave]

24/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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24/02/2004 5EC 0

I mentioned in my last report that EC will form a new basis for sarging. This seems to be the case; EC seems to be more easy to get when you are, as Manifest3 pointed out, "in your own reality when you're sarging." I took yesterday off and the difference is incredible. Buddhism works.

Two meetings today. One with a chick I first met in October, and another one I met in december. The first meeting was interesting. Style talked about "social robots" in the advanced section and the importance of value. I brought up something associated with a trip I'll be making soon -- a trip that is (well, she found to be) very unique. She was so interested but it I could just see her state pumping and her getting excited; as though she felt privileged to know someone that will be involved in the activity.

The next was a TOTAL reversal [same as chick in FR: Questions about...] I could just feel myself "going ******d"; ie: asking questions, trying to bring her into convo -- a real energy drain, and a real difference from the other chick who was so interested. With this one I used leading her imagination to a scene that she had previously felt excited about. I made her go back and think about "the most exciting thing she has experienced." She went and talked about how she went through a stop light and her friends were scared, etc. But, again, I could see her state pumping and this, (unbeknownst to me) automatically made me move forward and made her receptive to kino (she was totally resistant to kino before this).

I gotta say I love my "find theory" (get a chick who's physically attractive/ready and escalate kino until you lay) more than this mASF verbal seduction stuff but hey -- I might appreciate it more if I have to work for it.


"ya gotta love the game IF you're gonna be involved in it at all". what I mean by that is exactly what you said. there are FEW rewards, so the ONLY way you are going to keep it up is if you love the process... you love PLAYING the game itself... and there is NO REASON why guys should love the bull**** that chicks make us go through. I suppose you don't even have to love the game in this case bcause this game is about life, possibly "love" (see endorphins and oxytocin) and procreation. you don't have to love it any more than you have to love algebra in high school... but you STILL have to learn it "-- MrSex4uNYC 2001/03/18

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[suavedave]

27/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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27/02/2004

Kind of an interesting experience. I sarged a chick and isolated her. As we were walking down the street I tried kino. She was a little more resistant than the crotch-grabbing near lay mentioned above. I should probably have used more kino because she immediately drew near me. I guess things went downhill when, despite our isolation and intimate talk she asked to go for a coffee. I agreed but when we got there she said, "Is it ok to pay for my coffee?" I said, "sure,!" Then when we were next she hesitated to pay; she thought I said I would pay for her. I refused (credit: Mrsex telling Maniac not even to pay for a bus ticket for a girl). She looks at me with respect and goes to pay for it. Then she suddenly bails.

A bit unfortunate because I had another meeting with a chick around that area. I THINK what happened was that the other girl saw me with this one and decided to bail. I tried to call her cell a few times but she didn't pick up.

Today: Met for the second time a girl mentioned above (19/02/2004 ). She was resistant until the last, last time I met her but she finally allowed kino/hand on lap. This time I had two hours to "convince her/use mASF" to be a bit more open. I got quite far physically, (massaging her privy, .......) No biggie because I used everything in my toolbox but the result was not what I wanted.

I bought some new clothes and the difference is completely different vis-a-vis getting EC and reactions. I'm a buddhist and someone that values poverty/but at the same time values getting laid. The fact is that clothes are a help in the attraction phase.

http://www.spiritualmidwifery.com/reading.shtml cool ****

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[PuertoRican_Lover]

Buddhist man,

You seem to be moving pretty fast with these chicks before establishing rapport! You are putting the cart before the horse. You seem to be doing things backwards - kissing, touching and moving like an animal on the prowl. Why aren't you getting numbers and setting the pins up? You seem to be playing and not pursuing!

What is your objective here? Do you want to be chasing only and not setting up anything tangible? You are doing a good job chasing but then what?

Recheck your strategy and write your goals down and see if you are meeting them. Or else your approach has to change!

 

[suavedave]

chasing

PL --

Hey man, I think you're right. I will consider your advice -- it really feels that way from my end. Any suggestions / goal suggestions are appreciated. Great answer...

suave

 

[suavedave]

28/02/2004

Date Time(hrs) # approaches # of closes
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28/02/2004

I met a girl today, this is about our 5th meeting. I used leading her imagination, games, etc.etc. Her buying temp. seemed to be increasing and increasing. Unfortunately/fortunately(?) we seem to have a LJBF relationship but there is a possible TA here. She said, "please call me," and I (perhaps optimistically) assumed that this meant she's very interested. Again, a lot of chick logic going on here and wait for the TA.



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[suavedave]

March 2nd, 2004

Few points to note: I meet this girl (personals) and we start chatting. Unfortunately I had another meeting booked for right after and so I had to demonstrate value fast and see what I could do. Well the first second was ok -- she looked at me like a ****ing hero. Then, the next second -- and I've seen it before -- her reaction totally changes. So I have to do more than rely on looks/immediate appeal. We fluff for a while and I go into the HBCandy story. I lead up to the part where we go home and finish by saying that she ends up having a BF. But here's where it's ****ed. after the story I ask her whether that's happened to her. She pretends she hears another question, then says, "no" and recoils in her chair folding her hands. I hesitate/stall (don't expect this) and the conversation/energy immediately falls. It's late, I have to go and try to get her to walk with me (to the other meeting). She refuses.

Im late for the next chick (this is HBFunny) and she DOESNT show (second time meeting) -- then again I was 15 minutes late. Here's how you PU:

I wait around for a while looking for her and don't see her. Perhaps she was there but I didn't recognize her... not sure. Anyway, after a bit of this (I feel like I've been had!) I see a chick sitting down and ask if I can sit as well. Immediate good reaction we start chatting, I ask question after question. Finally it's time to eject and she resists at first but decides to go. I isolate her and this time -- this is the first time ever I have always gone for mass kino before -- we actually have a Conversation! I # close her; she has a meeting to go to later this evening.



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[suavedave]

Last report:

I met her a few times before and the meetings went well. Well, I figured I'd see her one more time before I go out of town -- headed for a retreat -- and really got to know her this time. We went from a conversation, to holding hands, to skinship in just over an hour.

Turns out she doesn't like sex! (I should have guessed -- given her demeanor/other signs). This was interesting in that I had the idea a while back that it would be a way to GIVE if I seduce women that don't like sex, ie: help them understand the natural exileration of the act. Turns out it didn't happen but I felt good about my attempt.

Good bye guys!


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[JJMcLure]

Bump.

Can we send this to the archive? Great to see results of persistent approaches everywhere and anywhere.