"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I have found myself in quite a predicament. Not sure how to proceed.

Background:

Met this girl at work close to 10 years ago. We were friends but there was always an underlying sexual vibe. Fast forward to about 2 years ago, we start hanging out a lot more. (no longer work at the same place)

I have a gf, but she is a LDR (long distance relationship) plus things had been rocky between us. Not to excuse what happened next, just telling it like it was.

So we do the deed. I feel guilt and shame (the next day) and she comes back for more, but I send her away. Then a couple of weeks later I visit her and we spend the entire weekend banging. I then go away to work (I work in a different place than I live) and the GF comes to visit and I carry on as though nothing had happened with the friend at home.

This makes me a douchebag, I know.

Soon after, the LDR relationship ends, and I start banging the friend at home regularly. We have some issues. She wants more, I don't. We cool off for a while, then start up again. This time I want more, she doesn't. We get into a gigantic fight, and don't speak for 6 months.

I contact her, we meet and talk. She tells me she wants to be friends, then we have sex twice. After that, I am confused. Next she invites me to her place for a long weekend, we bang bang bang, and do family stuff with her family. Then the day I leave I get the cold shoulder, some indifference. Generally just treated bad, and I didn't like it. So I go away to work again, and ex GF is there. We start up again and I cut off contact with the friend at home.

She drunk dials me a few months later. We text back and forth, I agree to meet her, she cancels with a lame excuse. So I cut her off again. I go to visit the LDR gf.

LDR breaks up with me. Stupidly, I email the friend from home, she blows me off. I send her an email thanking her, and this is what happens next.

I get an all caps message saying I'm toxic and to please stop contacting her.

4 minutes later, she friend requests me on facebook (I think accidentally) and soon after blocks me. Blocking someone that isn't on your friends list.

I know this chick better than anyone. She would not bother replying to my messages if she really wanted me to stop contacting her. The facebook thing is just weird. Not sure what to make of that.

Is her hamster sprinting? Running itself to death?

I don't know what to do. What I want to happen is to get back with her. It's what I always wanted to happen, but she had me pretty convinced that she didn't care about anything I did. I see now that I read that wrong.

Thoughts?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Just to add, she has been dating other guys the entire time, not sitting around waiting for me. In fact it was the reason for the huge fight and 6 months no contact.
 

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keep NC and move on, only toxic here is her, well other people will give you better advice anyway :), I say ignore, move on and find a girl close, long distance never really work.
 

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You got a bunch of crazy emotional women that have out of round hamster wheels in overdrive......you really need to man up and find somebody else. Don't become a puppet in their silly games.
 

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Honestly, if I were a chick and you kept just coming back when it was convenient for you to do so, sleeping with me and then sometimes wanting a relationship and sometimes not, I'd be fed up with you too. But that's the rational side of my brain talking. We all know women are not very rational.

Anyway, if she wants you to leave her alone, then do it. Maybe let her cool off and talk to her after some time has gone by. What do you really want from these two women? Is there one you are interested in more? It just seems like you really aren't into either one of these women because you can't commit to one. Or maybe you just want your cake and to eat it too.

I dunno man. Find someone new.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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About the LDR, we lived in different places but worked in the same place, so we'd be together for several months at work, when the contract ended, we'd go to our respective homes. We split up a few times over the years. This one is finally over. Completely finished.

The one at home is the one I actually get the crazy buzz over. I tried to get serious with her, but she always pushes me away, so I had enough and cut her off.

I'm actually surprised at her reaction. This girl is an expert at giving off the "I don't care about you at all" vibe, and nothing I tried ever worked until just now. It's really the only reaction I've ever been able to get out of her.

Now she's unloading on me and saying things that she knows I am going to respond to, but finishes off with "please don't contact me".

So now I'm fighting the urge to respond to her.
 

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You titled this thread "STUCK". Which is true. You were stuck in some weid love triangle between your LDR and your local f**k buddy.

You had some fun. You had a lot of sex. It was a good time. Now it's time to move on.

At this point you are free. You're the opposite of stuck. Why not just take this as a victory, and walk away, instead of trying to force the issue with some crazy girl. What are you expecting here? A loving, healthy relationship?
 

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True enough. I need to embrace my freedom.

She is pissed off. No hope of salvation.
 

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I agree with the rest of the guys here. Move on. You really do get stuck in a rut trying to hold on to something that you never really had in the first place. If you're thinking you're going to have this girl all for yourself and she's going to miraculously become your soul mate, you're living in a fantasy world. Trust me, I've been there and done that. Nothing but hardship and pain, not to mention that it's incredibly unhealthy for your mental state.
 

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She absolutely unloaded on me yesterday. I had no idea she cared that much.

I was basically hypnotized by the sex. It was unlike anything I've ever had before. Hard to forget. Want more.

Haven't replied to the latest. Don't know what to say, so that is helping.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Go ghost on her, man. It's tough as hell, but, really, what more is there to say? Trying to explain stuff over and over again only hurts you and doesn't make her any less crazy or more suitable for you.
 
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