Stuck in Makeout Land with HB-9

[Friedricko]

I decided to go back to school to finish my degree and first day of classes I noticed an HB-9 all peacocked. She has amazing style not typical of most college girls. I wanted her instantly, but I've been working on PUA skills for about 3 months so I decided to work on DHV before the approach since I had all semester. I was witty and funny in class. I made comments that shaped the class conversation.

Definitely did a good job of building attraction because as soon as the prof mentioned we'd be doing group work she turned around from 2 rows away and pointed to me to tell me we'd be in a group. We got in a group and she asked for my number (ignoring the 3 other guys in the group) I handed her my business card and put her number in my phone. I didn't call her.

Next class she asked me why I didn't call or txt her so she could have my number. I told her I would sometime. Then she asked me out to lunch and I told her I'd rather get a drink. We went out that night and hit it off pretty well. I busted out lots of neg-hits and some good stories. After about an hour I read her numerology and found out we were soul mates. I pulled out a bracelet with her number on it and gave it to her telling her I was waiting to meet her. She ate it up! She then giggled and flirted - escalating kino. About that time I got a txt from my backup date (an average chick that I wasn't into, but I'd made tentative plans with if HB-9 didn't work out). HB-9 noticed and asked if I had another date, I told her I always double-book. She told me she liked me and I said "I know".

I took her to another bar where I knew the band playing and introduced her to the lead singer and about 1 in 5 people I knew at the bar. More DHV. She bought me a drink as she told me about her favorite vibrator.

After talking about sex for about 10 minutes I decided it was time to leave, so I told her I had important stuff to do in the morning and it was getting late so I was going to go home. I offered to walk her to her car, which she accepted. I kissed her goodnight at her car and then walked across the street, planning to walk home. She opened her door and asked if I wanted a ride home. I accepted and we ended up making out in front of my apartment for about 30 minutes.

Great first date. Great job of building the attraction.

We flirted in class for the next few weeks - sometimes sneaking away to an empty classroom to makeout. I kiss her everytime I leave her. We hungout outside of class a couple times, but she always is "too busy" to hang out more than 1 day a week and she works out of town on the weekends. We've had the discussion that its an open relationship too.

So the last class she showed up late, but rather than sitting alone waiting for her I sat next to the second hottest chick in the class and started flirting with her. HB-9 walked in 5 minutes late and went to sit at our usual spot, but I was on the otherside of the room giggling with the other girl. She came over and sat next to me. So for this whole 3 hour class I was flirting with both girls and DHV with class discussion. During a break HB-9 and I went to get coffee and she had all these plans for concerts we'd go to in 3-4 weeks.

Girl is definitely interested in me - she's flirtatious, loves to makeout and gives me the eyes. But she hardly ever has time to hangout. When we do make plans she flakes out, cuts it short or takes forever to show up. If I try to make a move to 2nd or 3rd base she pulls my hand away. She likes to talk about sex though.

So I'm kinda stuck right now in makeout land. I have about 6 hours of class a week with her until May so if I take it slow I might be banging her eventually, but this chick is too high maintenance if we are just making out. At this point I either gotta drop her back to friendzone or sleep with her. I managed to build the attraction for her to ask me out then built comfort to kiss close... but now what?


Anyone know how I can escalate to sex faster?

Have you had similar experiences?

What am I doing wrong?

Advice?

 

[JackPrescott]

I decided to go back to school to finish my degree and first day of classes I noticed an HB-9 all peacocked. She has amazing style not typical of most college girls. I wanted her instantly, but I've been working on PUA skills for about 3 months so I decided to work on DHV before the approach since I had all semester. I was witty and funny in class. I made comments that shaped the class conversation.

Definitely did a good job of building attraction because as soon as the prof mentioned we'd be doing group work she turned around from 2 rows away and pointed to me to tell me we'd be in a group. We got in a group and she asked for my number (ignoring the 3 other guys in the group) I handed her my business card and put her number in my phone. I didn't call her.

Next class she asked me why I didn't call or txt her so she could have my number. I told her I would sometime. Then she asked me out to lunch and I told her I'd rather get a drink. We went out that night and hit it off pretty well. I busted out lots of neg-hits and some good stories. After about an hour I read her numerology and found out we were soul mates. I pulled out a bracelet with her number on it and gave it to her telling her I was waiting to meet her. She ate it up! She then giggled and flirted - escalating kino. About that time I got a txt from my backup date (an average chick that I wasn't into, but I'd made tentative plans with if HB-9 didn't work out). HB-9 noticed and asked if I had another date, I told her I always double-book. She told me she liked me and I said "I know".

I took her to another bar where I knew the band playing and introduced her to the lead singer and about 1 in 5 people I knew at the bar. More DHV. She bought me a drink as she told me about her favorite vibrator.

After talking about sex for about 10 minutes I decided it was time to leave, so I told her I had important stuff to do in the morning and it was getting late so I was going to go home. I offered to walk her to her car, which she accepted. I kissed her goodnight at her car and then walked across the street, planning to walk home. She opened her door and asked if I wanted a ride home. I accepted and we ended up making out in front of my apartment for about 30 minutes.

Great first date. Great job of building the attraction.

We flirted in class for the next few weeks - sometimes sneaking away to an empty classroom to makeout. I kiss her everytime I leave her. We hungout outside of class a couple times, but she always is "too busy" to hang out more than 1 day a week and she works out of town on the weekends. We've had the discussion that its an open relationship too.

So the last class she showed up late, but rather than sitting alone waiting for her I sat next to the second hottest chick in the class and started flirting with her. HB-9 walked in 5 minutes late and went to sit at our usual spot, but I was on the otherside of the room giggling with the other girl. She came over and sat next to me. So for this whole 3 hour class I was flirting with both girls and DHV with class discussion. During a break HB-9 and I went to get coffee and she had all these plans for concerts we'd go to in 3-4 weeks.

Girl is definitely interested in me - she's flirtatious, loves to makeout and gives me the eyes. But she hardly ever has time to hangout. When we do make plans she flakes out, cuts it short or takes forever to show up. If I try to make a move to 2nd or 3rd base she pulls my hand away. She likes to talk about sex though.

So I'm kinda stuck right now in makeout land. I have about 6 hours of class a week with her until May so if I take it slow I might be banging her eventually, but this chick is too high maintenance if we are just making out. At this point I either gotta drop her back to friendzone or sleep with her. I managed to build the attraction for her to ask me out then built comfort to kiss close... but now what?


Anyone know how I can escalate to sex faster?

Have you had similar experiences?

What am I doing wrong?

Advice?

NO FRIENDZONE. **** that noise. You have an apartment. Let me set it up for you. Figure out a day when she DOESNT have to get up early. Go out to Borders and pick up some old school R&B. 70's hits. Lou Rawls, and such. A couple of candles, and buy some chicken and shrimp, something you can sautee up real fast. 2 bottles of wine, and get 2 films. One a normal flick, one a NASTY porn.

1. Invite her over for dinner.
2. Call her back when she is busy, and LEAVE A MESSAGE for her to be sure and bring her favorite vibrator with her.
2.5. Have her come in and kiss her, and hand her a glass of wine. Have other liquor available.
3. Prepare the meal, and have wine and dinner with her. Small portions.
4. More wine. Much more.

5. Once she is buzzed show her both films. Guaranteed she'll want to watch the porn, as women are ****ing nasty *****es.

6. Ask her at some point "wheres your toy?"

7. Ask her if you can use it on her.

(If at this point she doesnt start to get naked, ask her (bluntly) if she has any intentions of sleeping with you and if not, turn off the film, and show her the door.)

8. If she is normal, by this time, she should be mostly undressed, making out with you, as she shows you how she uses her toy. For vibrators, a good position is missionary, with you on your knees, thrusting as she uses the toy on her klit. This should take her straight up Space Mountain.

 

[Bible_Belt]

2. Call her back when she is busy, and LEAVE A MESSAGE for her to be sure and bring her favorite vibrator with her.

To each his own, but I would not. For her to comply is basically to agree to fvck you, and this girl won't even let you squeeze her t!ts. And personally, I find using a vibrator on a chick to be pretty boring.

She does this sh!t because she can. As a HB9, about any guy will be with her without her having to put out, and she knows it. Why should she pay for what she can get for free? My guess is that soon you are going to have to just stop calling and act like you lost interest in her. I'll bet that never happens to her, and it would make her work harder for your affection.

As a makeout tip, if your hands are getting rejected from placing them on the more fun parts of her body, use other parts of your own body to feel her up. If she pushes your hand away from her chest, then squeeze your chest against hers as you make out and rub your body back and forth against hers. This will turn her on as much as squeezing her t!ts. Same with her pvssy. If you can't rub her through her jeans, use your arm, leg, knee, ankle, whatever is there to rub her crotch. This gets her horny without her having to let you paw her up.

 

[JackPrescott]

2. Call her back when she is busy, and LEAVE A MESSAGE for her to be sure and bring her favorite vibrator with her.

To each his own, but I would not. For her to comply is basically to agree to fvck you, and this girl won't even let you squeeze her t!ts. And personally, I find using a vibrator on a chick to be pretty boring.

She does this sh!t because she can. As a HB9, about any guy will be with her without her having to put out, and she knows it. Why should she pay for what she can get for free? My guess is that soon you are going to have to just stop calling and act like you lost interest in her. I'll bet that never happens to her, and it would make her work harder for your affection.

As a makeout tip, if your hands are getting rejected from placing them on the more fun parts of her body, use other parts of your own body to feel her up. If she pushes your hand away from her chest, then squeeze your chest against hers as you make out and rub your body back and forth against hers. This will turn her on as much as squeezing her t!ts. Same with her pvssy. If you can't rub her through her jeans, use your arm, leg, knee, ankle, whatever is there to rub her crotch. This gets her horny without her having to let you paw her up.

If all she is good for is making out, and she DOESNT want it to go anywhere, she is as useful as ttits on a Bull. Women crave sex. I have had wonderful luck and experiences not beating around the bush and being direct and honest about EXACTLY what I want from them, once we have kissed with our tongues.

 

[JackPrescott]

2. Call her back when she is busy, and LEAVE A MESSAGE for her to be sure and bring her favorite vibrator with her.

To each his own, but I would not. For her to comply is basically to agree to fvck you, and this girl won't even let you squeeze her t!ts. And personally, I find using a vibrator on a chick to be pretty boring.

She does this sh!t because she can. As a HB9, about any guy will be with her without her having to put out, and she knows it. Why should she pay for what she can get for free? My guess is that soon you are going to have to just stop calling and act like you lost interest in her. I'll bet that never happens to her, and it would make her work harder for your affection.

As a makeout tip, if your hands are getting rejected from placing them on the more fun parts of her body, use other parts of your own body to feel her up. If she pushes your hand away from her chest, then squeeze your chest against hers as you make out and rub your body back and forth against hers. This will turn her on as much as squeezing her t!ts. Same with her pvssy. If you can't rub her through her jeans, use your arm, leg, knee, ankle, whatever is there to rub her crotch. This gets her horny without her having to let you paw her up.

As far as using a vibrator on a chick....well, you have to know what you're doing!:kick:

 

[Friedricko]

So today in class we talked about VHS vs Beta Max. So of course I turned the discussion Porn (the reason why VHS was more popular than Beta Max even though it was an inferior product ) The class was shocked when I brought it up but the prof confirmed the validity of my statements.... She was sitting right next to me and was shocked that I would bring up porn in school... even more amazed that the prof was agreeing with me and probably stunned that I took off right after class with my wingman to get lunch. Usually I stick around and bull**** with her for 15-30 minutes but this time I didn't even wait for her to get her stuff packed up - we just bounced.



So now I did 2 good things....

1. Mostly ignored her during class and took off after to hang out with a bro.

2. Setup watching porno as a "homework" assignment.

Tomorrow night we have a group project meeting at 6:30pm so do I ask her over to watch porn after the group project or call her tonight?

She has to get up early every week day and she works out of town on the weekends. She doesn't really drink, but she smokes herb... I've never been good at getting laid stoned though.

Thoughts?

 

[Bible_Belt]

For vibrators, a good position is missionary, with you on your knees, thrusting as she uses the toy on her klit. This should take her straight up Space Mountain.

fwiw, women are different. One gf who is fond of vibrators only got off by sticking it up inside her and wiggling it around on her g-spot. She was mortified that I wanted to move the thing in and out of her like a d!ck during sex. A current gf gets off on using them on her **** during sex, but says the **** vibe alone does not do much for her.

Just feel it out and let her urge you toward what she likes. Or try both ways and see what she does each time.

And this whole watch porn and sex toy thing is really the thin ice of creepiness. Tread carefully.

 

[DonGorgon]

Sounds like she has a boyfriend/some dude se is sleeping with already... you need to convince her it is worth it to sleep with you.

 

[fukuy]

Been there, done that dude. Best thing u can do is completely ignore her. She will get the message then will ask u what's going on. Then u can invite her to your place. She willknow that her last chance. If she still flakes then u just move on.
DONT WASTE TIME ON CHICKS LIKE THAT!!!!!

 

[DevanE]

This is what's happening right now.

You are "DHVing" through the roof and obviously the center of attention in class. Someone who is charismatic, funny, intelligent and obviously knows how to dominate. Now IF you look good as well that is the ultimate bonus...for most women that is kinda intimidating but for a "HB9" you ain't SH**!!!!. She isn't intimidated by no one. So what is a gal to do....? :flowers: Well why not associate HERSELF with you...? I mean what's the harm right. It's a 3 hour class anyways it'll just make the time go faster and she can have a little fun and learn at the same time.

All she has to do is entice you with a "reward" get your imagination going and you will play into her game like a puppet on a string at the same time she has an opportunity to share the lime-light with you. Of course you don't mind because it HAS to be catering to your ego knowing the fact that you MIGHT actually hit "that" in the not so distant future. You are what I call an "entertainer" and I've seen tons of guys do that in my classes. It's cool and all but guys like you get abused by women / strung along / used for attention until the semester is over. I used to be one of these guys too so don't worry about it. This type of problem I usually had with hot chicks too so it's kind of "normal". Heehee...

But again I might be completely wrong or she might genuinely be just trying to feel you out. You know see what type of a guy you are, what your about etc etc. How long have you guys been talking and hanging out...?. I guess it's up to you to weed this one out big guy. How about this...

Ignore her FULL blast and I mean literally. Don't flirt, talk, act like she doesn't even EXIST anymore and see how much she flips out. Try to sit somewhere in class where she can't sit next to you and start talking to EVERY girl in class. What I mean by "talking" is having "fun" in class with them. Flirting, "negs" etc and see where that takes you.

 

[Stéphane]

I think you overqualified yourself, and she doesn't want to have sex with you because she's scared that your going to reject her. Newb mistake, you don't overqualify yourself.

 

[saber]

She has to get up early every week day and she works out of town on the weekends. She doesn't really drink, but she smokes herb... I've never been good at getting laid stoned though.

Thoughts?

I suspect she is lying and playing the game with a few guys...
just cause she is busy doesn't mean you can't hump when u do hang out

but you justify her actions to yourslef so you can continue the chase...as in you are chasing her....I really don't have enough info to offer practical accurate advice but shes got u caught up in the game

imagine ur situation from her pov and a third party pov and play it kewl

 

[Friedricko]

Well guys, I've tried a couple different tactics over the last few weeks. I've done some ******* things, some audacious things and I am surprised to report that I actually found a good girl. It looks the jokes on me! The more I got to know her the more I found out she is really a sweet innocent girl with the body of a goddess. The games and routines defiantly did a good job of building attraction, but unfortunately not every HB is a dirty slut, some of them are actually looking for love. Now I have to decide if I actually want a relationship...


Thanks for the advice and your time.

 

[ezily]

Well guys, I've tried a couple different tactics over the last few weeks. I've done some ******* things, some audacious things and I am surprised to report that I actually found a good girl. It looks the jokes on me! The more I got to know her the more I found out she is really a sweet innocent girl with the body of a goddess. The games and routines defiantly did a good job of building attraction, but unfortunately not every HB is a dirty slut, some of them are actually looking for love. Now I have to decide if I actually want a relationship...


Thanks for the advice and your time.

wow you are lucky IMO. those don't come around too often. As I was reading the other stuff I was going to say that she may just be scared and not want to have sex right now. So it looks like I was right... kind of.

 

[xdreamz]

nice


Make-out land is one of my favorite places in the world. The temperature is good, the vibes are so right you forgot what it was ever like having a hard time in the cold and dreaded lets-just-be-friends zone.

oh yea where was I...from my own experience makeout zone is cool as long as you keep on escalating.. persistence and patience is key, if you're aiming for sex you set up some sort of plan to make it happen right? i have had an experience where you're in makeout land and then the **** drops more and more. that's the worse. try to see her on a regular basis so you can gauge your strategy just right for her.