comic_relief
Master Don Juan
This clutters the forum and is just becoming plane old annoying. Post if you feel it is beginnig to get annoying. Let your voice be heard!
comic_relief
comic_relief
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
STOP with the damn looks vs. Personality threads
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
LA_Chico
Senior Don Juan
Definitely bro, especially these myspace thread by that idiot skiptomylou, that guy is the worst. but then thread about looks are stupid.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Like I said and others said before me, if they believe that looks is the be all and end all to sarging, why spam a forum that focuses on social interaction? 
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
:cheer: Hallelujah :cheer:mr_elor said:
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Scrumtulescence
Master Don Juan
Deadlifts. Crabs in a barrel. etc. ....wait what thread is this again?
Charm&Style
Master Don Juan
Scrumtulescence said:
bro this is the cooking thread...i think your looking for skilla'z thread
...try health and fitness
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
We can only hope... :nervous:Deus ex Pianoforte said:
God_of_getting_layed
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IF YOU DONT LIKE THE LOOKS VS PERSONALITY THREADS, DONT READ THEM!!!
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE LOOKS VS PERSONALITY THREADS, DONT READ THEM!!!
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE LOOKS VS PERSONALITY THREADS, DONT READ THEM!!!
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE LOOKS VS PERSONALITY THREADS, DONT READ THEM!!!
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE LOOKS VS PERSONALITY THREADS, DONT READ THEM!!!
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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how stupid is THIS thread?? i would say there are 10 threads either like this, or someone else whining like a baby for every looks thread out there. I only know of 1 active looks thread, and its in the Archive. What other looks threads do you see???? (I only remember 1 that was created by some loser as a joke)
"all the damn looks threads" - THERE IS ONLY ONE!!
"all the damn looks threads" - THERE IS ONLY ONE!!
God_of_getting_layed
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The posts that say "looks are required" are not evil posts that put people off and discourage them. THis is a big misconception you people are making out of them. THey are actually helping people. Providing someone with true information will really help them out if theyre stuck with innacurate information.mr_elor said:
With more accurate information, they will be better fit to make decisions that will actually improve themselves. If you find that looks are required, then you would know to make the decision to improve in that area. If you didnt have this information, you wouldnt know to improve in that area, and you would be stuck with poor results, becuase you would be focusing on improving a trait that doesnt matter that much.
I would say that by NOT making those kinds of posts, we are not doing our duty as don juans posting in this forum. One thing we should be doing is helping eachother, which you point out, one way to do that is by providing true, accurate, and useful information. By trying to censor or block the "looks posts", you are denying people accurate and useful information, this is the opposite of help. alot of people are ignorant about somethings, you have to create threads that show them the light which may be controversial. either way, its for everyones own good to have these kinds of posts, accurate and useful information comes out of it, which will be used to help people.
afc_2_dj
Don Juan
I think many people may have come to the internet researching how to get girls despite not being good looking, and hence found this site.
This is why so many looks threads start up. This is not a bad thing, as this site gives honest advice, where-as every other site on the net is just trying to sell books/etc to guys like me, saying "looks don't matter", which is not true.
However I do agree its pretty pointless having a 70-page thread arguing about it, maybe a sticky somewhere summarizing good points. Plus new comers posting "do looks matter" so be advised to search.
This is why so many looks threads start up. This is not a bad thing, as this site gives honest advice, where-as every other site on the net is just trying to sell books/etc to guys like me, saying "looks don't matter", which is not true.
However I do agree its pretty pointless having a 70-page thread arguing about it, maybe a sticky somewhere summarizing good points. Plus new comers posting "do looks matter" so be advised to search.
ObieJuan
Senior Don Juan
When it comes down to this "Looks matter" argument we need to consider mind-state over whether or not this statement is true; moreover that it is purely subjective. If in the back of your mind you are thinking "Looks matter" when talking to girls it is going to hurt your confidence because you feel inadequate to what you believe is what the girl really wants, thus affecting the outcome of your success. Dressing well and practicing proper hygiene is a must to make you stand out and improve your confidence but is not as important in the big picture as improving your inner game and being able to provide a woman something that you aren't simply born with (looks).
Since you can't really change that aspect it is more important to shift focus from looks to personality traits like character, charm, wittiness, whatever seperates you from the dozens of chumps that a girl gets attention from on a daily basis. I see lots of unattractive women who will say they are smart, friendly, faithful and all sorts of things that don't matter much to us guys simply because their looks DO matter to most of us. Personally I'll take a cute girl that has a good personality and smarts over a superficial hot girl simply because I have a reason to talk to the cute girl and the hot one just annoys me after a while. IMO you can't have Looks without Personality or vice versa if your standards won't allow it. Criticism welcome.
Since you can't really change that aspect it is more important to shift focus from looks to personality traits like character, charm, wittiness, whatever seperates you from the dozens of chumps that a girl gets attention from on a daily basis. I see lots of unattractive women who will say they are smart, friendly, faithful and all sorts of things that don't matter much to us guys simply because their looks DO matter to most of us. Personally I'll take a cute girl that has a good personality and smarts over a superficial hot girl simply because I have a reason to talk to the cute girl and the hot one just annoys me after a while. IMO you can't have Looks without Personality or vice versa if your standards won't allow it. Criticism welcome.
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its very very important to note that developing game and personality while remaining an outta shape weird looking slob will do NOTHING for you. "Looks threads" are just there to remind you that working out, making your body desirable, looking sexy is a very key component in completely being a don juan.
2 guys who have the same suave personality. One is average, the other is lean, tan, has nice hair, and has an overall great look to him. Who do you think will do better with women?
YOU NEED ALL THE PEICES TO THE PUZZLE.
2 guys who have the same suave personality. One is average, the other is lean, tan, has nice hair, and has an overall great look to him. Who do you think will do better with women?
YOU NEED ALL THE PEICES TO THE PUZZLE.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
gee, looks like I don't have to look far.
AE Forum (by a member that is from 2000 )
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114431
two of the posts were deleted by the mods.
comic_relief
AE Forum (by a member that is from 2000
)http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114431
two of the posts were deleted by the mods.
comic_relief
Scrumtulescence
Master Don Juan
I've seen average looking/chubby guys get really cute and attractive girls. It happens, and it's not that rare. And it happens much more than the other way around (good looking guys with ugly girls). Mental traits are more important than physical traits, end of f*cking debate FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY, CLOSE THREAD.
Ever wonder why a "looks" thread creates such heated debates? No one ever just simply ignores it and lets it die do they?
It's because part of us knows it matters a lot more than we'd like to think. That's why we'll point out rare cases of seemingly "mismatched" people together. It gives us hope that it doesn't matter as long as our game is tight, but I know that in "general" this mindset does not reflect what I see in my everyday life.
I'm a pretty reserved guy, I don't go out cold approaching or anything and I have "zero" game (as far as being smooth and talking to women I don't know). I don't have a lot of money, I love video games and I'm living in a small apartment with a roomate. Yet, there are women out there who are attracted to me.
One day I approached one, I was nervous and I know it had to show. In a nutshell I ended up hooking up with her, which I hadn't done with anyone in quite a while (I'm talking years). How could this have happened given my situation? My only explanation is she must have been attracted to my appearance, therefore she was very receptive to me and allowed me to follow through even though I wasn't the smoothest guy out there. I honestly put forth very little effort, and she pretty much took the wheel (once I made it known that I liked her).
I don't know, you tell me, how does this happen if looks aren't that important?
It's because part of us knows it matters a lot more than we'd like to think. That's why we'll point out rare cases of seemingly "mismatched" people together. It gives us hope that it doesn't matter as long as our game is tight, but I know that in "general" this mindset does not reflect what I see in my everyday life.
I'm a pretty reserved guy, I don't go out cold approaching or anything and I have "zero" game (as far as being smooth and talking to women I don't know). I don't have a lot of money, I love video games and I'm living in a small apartment with a roomate. Yet, there are women out there who are attracted to me.
One day I approached one, I was nervous and I know it had to show. In a nutshell I ended up hooking up with her, which I hadn't done with anyone in quite a while (I'm talking years). How could this have happened given my situation? My only explanation is she must have been attracted to my appearance, therefore she was very receptive to me and allowed me to follow through even though I wasn't the smoothest guy out there. I honestly put forth very little effort, and she pretty much took the wheel (once I made it known that I liked her).
I don't know, you tell me, how does this happen if looks aren't that important?
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Out of curiosity, beyond the initial attraction, how long do these women hang around after finding out your "zero game," lack of funds, having a roommate and the rest of your self description?Tazman said:
The women I got IOI's from but didn't approach either stop giving the IOI's altogether or continue to do it but tone it down, maybe hoping I'll give in one day. The one I hooked up with is still around (a couple of months), granted, when I get comfortable with someone I'm more social and probably more interesting because I'm relaxed. My biggest problem has always been getting into this relaxed state before I get to know the person, I mean it seems impossible sometimes.
I've also become a sort of mysogynist, which is another topic, but it helps me deal with any BS that any chick tries to give me. I just don't see them the way I used to, I think this attitude is partially why my current woman is still around. I try and show the real me in the beggining so there's no misunderstanding later on, I am who I am, they can take it or leave it. I've overcome some major hurdles in doing this because I've had insecurities about my body since I was a teenager. If this woman didn't find me attractive I absolutely wouldn't be in this position.
I've also become a sort of mysogynist, which is another topic, but it helps me deal with any BS that any chick tries to give me. I just don't see them the way I used to, I think this attitude is partially why my current woman is still around. I try and show the real me in the beggining so there's no misunderstanding later on, I am who I am, they can take it or leave it. I've overcome some major hurdles in doing this because I've had insecurities about my body since I was a teenager. If this woman didn't find me attractive I absolutely wouldn't be in this position.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.