"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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"stop being so ****y"

Packers2010

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i have been trying out a few thing on my friend. just to see what work what doesn't, to be honest, it doesn't really matter about out friendship since i leave for wales at the end of nov.

so today i noticed the greenbay repeat is on at 6. so i figure i should facebook message her to see if she wants to go see it with me at a bar. the reason why i wanted her to go is she is a very good deso driver. she always gets me home save and she gets maccas too.

so we start talking on facebook chat and i am gaming her pretty hard to get her to come out. so doesn't want to come out. so i keep trying, still nothing. then half way threw trying she tells me what she enjoyed watching baseball with me last time we went out. ( all i did was text her told her to pick me up we are going drinking. so we did. i got drunk. she sat on facebook. she drove me home. was good.) so i was like. sweet. come out tonight. still no go. then after this she tells me she has to be home for dinner because her mom is making her fav tonight. i play the whole. well i come to dinner then we go to the bar. then she says. stop being so ****y.

the thing is. i have always been a chode around her. like we have been friends before i started getting into the game so she has the proceed image of me being a chode and not a " alpha male" , for lack of a better word.

they funny thing is we had a convo about being ****y a few weeks ago. she told me her bf is very ****y but he admits it.

i just wanted to see what your thoughts are on this? yes, i know i am over thinking it. i'm not trying to get with her. i would just like to know what to do next time this happens with a different girl
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Scars

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Probably a sh!t test.

But sense you were always a "chode" around her, and especially after having a conversation about ****yness with her, she probably sees through your gimmick. That's why any data you collect from this will probably be inaccurate.

Try your theories on a girl you don't know, or a recent love interest. Your "friend" sees it as inconsistency, and this is how girls get creeped out.

Point is, it's okay to be ****y, but a lot of newbies make the mistake of overdoing it. Use C+F to attract, and once you know they're attracted you move into comfort and then seduce. A lot of guys see that C+F works, but then over kill it to the point where they just seem like a prick. Don't forget to get flirty and sexual with her, otherwise all your ****yness will go to waste. You're basically trying to utilize game theory on a girl who has a bf, probably not a good idea. Put your theories to the test on a girl that's worth while. You're probably creeping your friend out right now.

-Scars
 

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Scars said:
Probably a sh!t test.

But sense you were always a "chode" around her, and especially after having a conversation about ****yness with her, she probably sees through your gimmick. That's why any data you collect from this will probably be inaccurate.

Try your theories on a girl you don't know, or a recent love interest. Your "friend" sees it as inconsistency, and this is how girls get creeped out.

Point is, it's okay to be ****y, but a lot of newbies make the mistake of overdoing it. Use C+F to attract, and once you know they're attracted you move into comfort and then seduce. A lot of guys see that C+F works, but then over kill it to the point where they just seem like a prick. Don't forget to get flirty and sexual with her, otherwise all your ****yness will go to waste. You're basically trying to utilize game theory on a girl who has a bf, probably not a good idea. Put your theories to the test on a girl that's worth while. You're probably creeping your friend out right now.

-Scars

thanks for your reply man. i do talk about sex with her all the time. it just seams weird for me that she would say this. thing is. i have drunk texed her in the past and that was not good. one time i told her to break up with her bf for me... i really need to stay off the beer.

anyway. all i'm really testing is to see if i CAN CHANGE her perception of me. i don't care if she stays with her bf or whatever. i just want to be able to be that C+F guy you know and not that stupid afc guy.
 

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dont sweat it, if this girl is just a friend then your looking at a big waste of time trying to change her perception of you. She knew who you were before, its that simple. Thing is u can't erase urself and come out ****y funny. Your attitude may change, but your still the same guy and she knows it.

Waste of time.
 

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Do you want your friends being ****y assh0les around you all the time?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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