KarmaSutra
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Why is it always the most obvious questions I overlook?Rollo Tomassi said:So, which Plate did you go ƒuck instead of waiting around for this flake?
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Why is it always the most obvious questions I overlook?Rollo Tomassi said:So, which Plate did you go ƒuck instead of waiting around for this flake?
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I hate to say it, but you are exactly right.jophil28 said:If you read this quote above, from a distance, you will see how she set you up to be a'wishin and a'hoping ,while she set up a few other options and then chose one which was NOT you.
Because you apply a misguided " I don't burn bridges" policy, you allowed yourself to continue playing into her games instead of losing her number long ago.
" I don't burn bridges" translates to " I will continues to befriend any chick regardless of her past bad behavior because she just MIGHT get naked with me one night ".
Frankly STR8uP, you ought to be doing a whole lot better that this.
You were outplayed dude, by a 22 year old brat.
Too bad for her, because she has officially lost her shot.Aenigma said:Oh and Str8up- keep in in mind that she's gonna try to lure you into the "losing" position again with sex/promise of sex- namely one where you forgive/forget her past indescritions in exchange for sexual favors. So your options are:
I totally agree with you. the main reason I hang out with women from time to time is either when it is in a mixed group going downtown, which creates social proof and is a lot more fun that a "hunting pack" made up of only horny dudes.Hooligan Harry said:I learned a long time ago that women as friends are never real mates. They are acquaintances with tits who I might hang out with from time to time. They have no sense of loyalty, they are selfish and they add almost zero value to your life when you need them most.
Keep them around if you are ****ing them, want to **** them, or having them around helps you **** other women. Other then that, its a waste of time and energy IMO.
This is true, but she is in for a rude awakening.potato said:She more than likely knows this and takes the attitude that STR8UP will always have that desire.
Actually, I didn't wait around for her. Our last convo was that she was practically begging me to go to this birthday party with her, after I had already been invited to a Christmas party that held much better prospects for me. I didn't tell her "no", but my plan was to feel out the party I wanted to go to WITHOUT her, and possibly meet up with the other party later in if nothing panned out.Rollo Tomassi said:So, which Plate did you go ƒuck instead of waiting around for this flake?
I would say that 4 out of 5 times you end up saving yourself some time since only about 20% are going to have a legit excuse and end up coming through, but with women you never know. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt ONCE. It's only when I have broken this rule that it has caused me needless grief.KnightsCross said:Lesson learned here? Well it shouldn't even be 2 or 3 strikes your out. I've found that 1 strike is enough.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
See previous post about how I thought I was "IN".DonS said:If you have the game to acquire and maintain that lifestyle; and also to seduce hotties and "nail them in my "jacuzzi", why have you been tooled repeatedly by a 22 year old?
I very much agree.danger said:Why remove her? Don't confirm for her that what she did actually bothered you.
Indifference.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I don't consider her to be a "plate", and I know that every minute I spend interacting with her is a minute that could be spent doing something else, but after thinking about last night I am ALMOST tempted to send this girl into an emotional tailspin.grinder said:As for what I would have done on the day you were stood up? I would have sent a text and it would read “?”, not contact her again and use benign neglect to slowly allow her to qualify herself back into my world on my terms. But you can only afford to do this from a point of power, and, of course having multiple plates spinning.
I agree with you about Myspace and Facebook being social tools that are mainly for the benefit of women, however, I believe they can benefit men as well, which is why I have both.Knight's Cross said:I started writing this thinking I would put out some good gouge on the whole web based network site idea, and why it's problematic. Well see STR8UP's posts. He's now in a conundrum. "Do I remove her". Does anyone else see an issue here that's broader? That the whole Facebook/Myspace concept is chicklike in origin. It's all about indirect communication. That in itself is female based. To make friends, keep them, delete them, etc. It's all done indirectly. You can do it thru a keyboard and a mouse. You don't have to tell the person, in person.
In the real world it's masculine to make/ delete friends live. Now with this little 22 YO most would agree to just walkaway shaking our heads will suffice. What STR8UP has on his hands is the problem of what to do now in the "online world of the social website". This is why I believe it's flawed for the DJ to even be on the sites in the first place.
STR8UP, I'm not trying to bash you. You've provided a clearer view thru your constant interactions with the opposite sex than probably any 10 other SS posters combined. I just post this in the quest to bring it to everyones attention.
KC
Thank you!Hooligan Harry said:I learned a long time ago that women as friends are never real mates. They are acquaintances with tits who I might hang out with from time to time. They have no sense of loyalty, they are selfish and they add almost zero value to your life when you need them most.
Keep them around if you are ****ing them, want to **** them, or having them around helps you **** other women. Other then that, its a waste of time and energy IMO.
STR8UP said:Now she has to live with the fact that she has lost someone that SHE considers to be a friend.
STR8UP said:Too bad for her, because she has officially lost her shot.
I think this girl really got to you and hurt you and you are actually thinking that your actions will hurt her back or that she will really care about it in the long terms. The reality is that as you correctly said it yourself "you are at the bottom of the totem pole" to her.STR8UP said:This is true, but she is in for a rude awakening.
What you're saying is if a guy deals with a woman because he has sex on his mind, it will go badly. But the truth is, even if his true motive was to nurture a pure friendship, she still would've flaked. It has to with HER, not him.The lesson here should be that to pursue women with only one thing in mind often results in a less than desirable outcome.
"Carter's got pills"? Thanks! I have to add that to my cliche cache.there are more cliche's in this post than Carter's got pills.
The problem was... she didn't care. So, when you gave her that second chance, she didn't care. She doesn't care, because she doesn't respect you enough. That's why she can flake on you and not care about the consequences. So, the moral of the story is: you don't have to give second chances to people who don't give a sh1t about you, because chances are, if they did care and respect you in the first place, they wouldn't be in need of being given a second chance.I honestly thought that she got the point that her minor transgressions of the past would be overlooked, but I only tolerate so much. I did this WITHOUT losing my cool, in a subtle way, and I could tell that it did sink in. I know that she got the message, so this goes to show exactly where I stand on her totem pole. Now I know.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
I already explained it really doesn't matter what his value might or might not be. She made the plans and didn't keep them. I already explained how saying and doing nothing doesn't necessarily have any useful effect. If you argue that the guy has no value, then what difference is indifference going to make either? Why wouldn't having a backbone and calling the girl out raise your value just as much as indifference would? You are assuming there's only one right way and only one way a female will interpret your actions.Danger said:What is laying down the law going to do in this particular case? He has little value to her, otherwise she would have shown up.
At this point, there's little reason for Str8up to say anything to her. But to say that saying anything to a girl who pulls a no call, no show would make you a pathetic loser is one ridiculous and two is really saying, "I'm afraid to call a girl out, she might think bad about me."I say you act indifferent and do not call her whatsoever. There will be two clear paths ahead....
1) She never contacts you looking for anything ever again. You have maintained your dignity through indifference. She will have no reason to call you a pathetic loser just because you were pissed off at her. You have moved on with your life.
If he would've called her out it would've still served as a rejection of her even if she did stand him up first. She is about as likely to contact you again after you called her out, from experience I know this is true, and you can rebuff her then just the same. There is no distinction. But generally you can't effectively punish someone's bad behavior long after it happened.2) She does contact you again for whatever reason (indicating interest of some kind). THIS is the point that you punish her for her previous actions. You must punish her when she is seeking any kind of REWARD. This is when you will have the most effect. You simply say "no thanks". You don't even need to give the reason, she will know why.
That's how to do it.ketostix said:...You're simply telling her she doesn't measure up and you don't tolerate people disrespecting your time. Then you act indifferent. Throwing a hissy fit would be AFC, but calmly laying down the law is a manly thing to do IMO.
The problem is that guys like STR8 have no defined "law".Danger said:Laying down the law only works for someone in your life. This womans life is outside the jurisdiction of STR8UP's law. When she tries to come back into that jurisdiction, that's when she gets punished. Anything else just makes him look chumpish and is a waste of his time.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.