Hello, I've noticed that I still have a sticking point that needs to be surpassed. When approaching older woman and talking with them for a couple minutes, I have troubles number closing them. I've DONE it before, but it's harder for me than for women around my age. I want to get over it, but I guess I have a small fear of them being married and maybe their husbands going off on me. lol But, I want to get past this, because my conversational skills during cold approaches have improved so much. I was just in a grocery store when I walked down an aisle and talked to an older woman for a couple minutes and it went well. But, something within myself didn't seem right about number closing her. Even though I wanted to. I'm trying to become that truly apathetic person that doesn't care what society nor anyone thinks of me and my pick-up hobby. But, I'm from a small town and have been socially conditioned to believe otherwise. So, my difficulties in this sticking point remain. I guess I need to focus on eliminating the fear of closing older women. Keep in mind, this is all going down in the daytime, not at a bar. If I was doing this at a bar, it'd be much easier to go for the close. I was wondering if anyone of you had this problem as well? And perhaps, you know how to destroy this sticking point? I will get past this sticking point, it is just going to take some field work.
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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Sticking point situation: Closing older women when you're a young man
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Depends on how much older she is but there is nothing wrong with not wanting to get with an older chick because she's older, man. Nothing wrong at all with it.
I got blacked out drunk after a concert I did at this camp ground and this 50-55 year old lady walked in my tent when I was passed out and apparently had her way with me? So she says, but I don't remember.
She wanted to "hook-up" after that. But I didn't want to. Way to old for me. I know I just wouldn't be able to get over the fact.
I just don't think attraction is one of those things you have to try to build or TRY to be attracted to something/someone. You're right. I'm sure it relates to some deeply imbedded socio-taboo teaching.
But good luck over coming that. I just kind of roll with the punches and accept the fact that I'm attracted to some people and I'm not attracted to some people.
But if you are truly attracted to this/these women. And think to yourself "Damn, she's hot as fvck. I'd let to bend her over etc..." then you're right you do need to do some reconditioning because I wouldn't hold myself back from some women I felt that way about.
I got blacked out drunk after a concert I did at this camp ground and this 50-55 year old lady walked in my tent when I was passed out and apparently had her way with me? So she says, but I don't remember.
She wanted to "hook-up" after that. But I didn't want to. Way to old for me. I know I just wouldn't be able to get over the fact.
I just don't think attraction is one of those things you have to try to build or TRY to be attracted to something/someone. You're right. I'm sure it relates to some deeply imbedded socio-taboo teaching.
But good luck over coming that. I just kind of roll with the punches and accept the fact that I'm attracted to some people and I'm not attracted to some people.
But if you are truly attracted to this/these women. And think to yourself "Damn, she's hot as fvck. I'd let to bend her over etc..." then you're right you do need to do some reconditioning because I wouldn't hold myself back from some women I felt that way about.
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I number closed a woman who was 63 while I was in a Popeye's. She turned out to be very receptive and wasn't married.
I'd rather older women anyway. F**k young women.
If you like older women, read my sig.
If you like younger women, read my sig.
But either one is tougher to get now that the media is all over the cougar craze and this PUA sh*t. They still have to find you attractive and find an interest in you. Balls alone just won't cut it.
Case closed.
I number closed a woman who was 63 while I was in a Popeye's. She turned out to be very receptive and wasn't married.
I'd rather older women anyway. F**k young women.
If you like older women, read my sig.
If you like younger women, read my sig.
But either one is tougher to get now that the media is all over the cougar craze and this PUA sh*t. They still have to find you attractive and find an interest in you. Balls alone just won't cut it.
Case closed.
Thanks for the input joverby and nismo.
I approached a couple more mature ladies with the intention of closing today, but they were both married. Oh well. Next time(I hate all this next time talk btw, now is it), I'll make myself close and focus on doing it.
Haha nismo, I like your quote. I actually once thought about putting it on my FB, but I figured most of my friends on there wouldn't appreciate it(The Pokemon one).
I'm just starting to become comfortable with the idea that I'm this "guy that approaches random women" in these small towns. It's not so bad.
I approached a couple more mature ladies with the intention of closing today, but they were both married. Oh well. Next time(I hate all this next time talk btw, now is it), I'll make myself close and focus on doing it.
Haha nismo, I like your quote. I actually once thought about putting it on my FB, but I figured most of my friends on there wouldn't appreciate it(The Pokemon one).
I'm just starting to become comfortable with the idea that I'm this "guy that approaches random women" in these small towns. It's not so bad.
PapiChulo
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The milfs love when you hit on them! You are doing a service for the elderly by doing so, even if they arent available, you are boosting their ego. I say this - be shameless and just go for it. I honestly find older women at a level playing field with younger men making the oldies much more receptive.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.