Speed Dating...Betaing Men

[HereToImprove]

I watched Hitch last night and did a bit of research on speed dating. I personally have never done it, but I was a bit upset to see what the event organizers do to men...

1. Women sit, while men move around...hangs an "approaching" frame on the interaction

2. At the end of the night, women's #s are given to men and they are expected to make the call...another chasing frame

Basically, the event puts women in the prize position...anyone who has ever read much on the topic knows that this is a terrible metaframe to be in...this type of frame will lead to a few lousy dates of paying the whole way and waiting an eternity to get down to business...at which point she will think you are beta anyway. I wish society didn't continue to perpetuate the "men woo the women, who are the prize" frame. Debunking and breaking this frame is the absolute core of mine and many other people's games.

 

[Alphathree]

The Matrix is scary. Just remember, the only place you will ever have a real conversation, the only people you will ever REALLY talk to, are the people in The Community playing The Game.

You and I, right now, are actually, really, truly communicating. There is no subtext to what I'm saying to you right now.

I have no hidden agenda. I'm just one dude communicating with another on a message board for our mutual benefit, mostly because it pleasures me to connect with another human being who lives in reality. Because on some level, I think that writing things to others will help me organize my own thoughts.

And if it helps you too, that gives me pleasure as well.

If you can find some deeper reason why I'm writing this message that I haven't revealed, I'd be fascinated to hear it.

(Unlike my first post tonight where I was clearing stroking my ego, sigh. I need to stop that.)

I find deep irony and perhaps a bit of peace in the fact that you, whoever you are, wherever you are, if you even exist, in addition to other people in message groups like this one, are the only people to whom I actually relate.

Any interaction I have in real life with another guy is in the matrix. I never speak the truth, because 'revealing the matrix' is often dangerous to my social status. It could earn me labels that lower my status.

I have a lot of respect for you and everyone here and on mASF and anywhere else where people talk about REALITY.

I think of it in terms of layers. If you "can't" dig down to the next layer with someone, you're talking to them through the matrix.

You are asking that "Hitch" break the matrix by digging into the TRUTH. They're not interested in that. They're in the matrix.

It's all in the matrix. Radio, television, your family, your government. It's all roleplaying and facades and surface-level discussions. The truth is obscured by layers upon layers of noise. The signal is faint.

As an experiment, it's on my list to game an expendible chick, say an HB8, and once we have a relationship of some kind, COMPLETELY EXPOSE the MATRIX to her.

I don't think most women are capable of seeing the matrix. If you've ever heard of the sapir-whorf hypothesis, it states that language shapes thought.

(And in my mind infers that if you lack words for certain concepts, you may not be able to grasp them as well.)

I believe that gender shapes thought even more than language. As evidence, I refer back to the sapir-whorf hypothesis in the reverse sense:

men and women use different vocabulary to describe "the same" things. This is where we get "********."

I think men are gifted with the ability to "step back" much more so than women, and that's why we can see the matrix and they can't. We aren't so clouded by emotion. We have it, but we can largely identify when it's screwing with us.

Using this logical brain, this stepping out of the matrix, I can model (although never fully understand) what it might be like to be a feminine woman.

A simple model might be that every day, every moment, you are presented with a series of, say, 10 arbitrary things. Feelings, thoughts, physical senstations, appearances, whatever.

And every moment, every day, you constantly pick the best one (the one you like most for reasons you don't necessarily bother to understand or explain to yourself.)

That leads you somewhere. You are then presented with the same choice again, but different options.

A woman guides her life that way.

Men, I believe, have some of this, but also a great deal of 'in their head' planning, consideration of not just now, but tomorrow, and the day after. Detatched thinking. Out of the matrix.

I've rambled again, but for these reasons, revealing the matrix to a woman, I believe, is impossible. But I'd like to try it.

I think I'd just get some ******** spit back at me and probably kill the attraction, which is why it would need to be an expendible girl. (Hot enough to screw but not to keep?)

I think being with a woman who understood the matrix would be the ultimate intellectual connection. When I see through the matrix, the importance of everything else fades.

If a man and woman could see through the matrix, I think it would be the ultimate high. Pure pleasure, experience, love, existence, peace, truth. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ketostix]

Nice post AlphaThree.

I've rambled again, but for these reasons, revealing the matrix to a woman, I believe, is impossible. But I'd like to try it.

Well I think I can predict what her response likely would be:" I'm sorry you feel that way.Have you been hurt by a girl? You're bitter and negative. If you were more postive things would happen for you..", basically it'd be the same BS Wyldfire uses. The problem is the girl wouldn't even let you make your case in it's entirety before she'd start arguing and run off. I'd think the girl would have to be madly love with you or a really good and true friend to hear you're entire case without flipping out on you...I hate to say it but girls are a major and integral part of the matrix itself as far as most guys are concerned.

 

[So pimp its scary]

HTI - I liked that movie Hitch, it was pretty good... I especially like the part where he has to explain himself to the women.

"Did you tell him to do X?" NO
"Did you get him to do this?" Definately not.
"Then what did you do?" *Thinks about it* Nothing... I did absolutely nothing (Except give the guys the confidence that they needed to get the ball rolling with the women in question)

Alphatree - This post goes well with whoever it was that brought up seduction as it's own language.

It is it's own language, in this case the language of the matrix. People trapped in the matrix (AFC's and the like) feel that by simply talking that they are 'engaging' the other person... When in reality, AFc's and the like never really communicate more than on superficial levels (as far as seduction goes this communication is between two persona's).

Then there are those that have released themselves from the Matrix, and are able to communicate DIRECTLY from one person through their persona and straight to their core being. This is where things start to happen.


Actually, you had me for about half of your post, but it was a good read.