SoSuave will not help you...

[FutureSpartan]

Trust me...take it from a guy who's been here for years. You will not get better with women by visiting this site. Yeah, there are a few here and there success stories, but this place remains a breeding ground for bitterness, mindless (but entertaining) drama, overinflated egos, negativity, e-politics, self-limiting beliefs, "no sh*t, sherlock" advice, and "downright sh*t" advice.

I say this because, admittedly, I have participated in all of the above and Im sure a lot of you guys are guilty as well. I stopped posting and numerous times typed up responses and threads only to delete it later, knowing full well that even if the advice/insight was good, I was in no way qualified to sit and dish out my wisdom without any experience to back it up.

Most of you have never even kissed a girl. But you sit here with your "infinite wisdom" and assume you know everything about women and how they think, what they want.

It took me a while to realize, that I would rather take advice and learn from some dating guru that has actual experience and know how, or a buddy who scores with a bunch of women, than some dude who rants about "looks being the only thing that matters" and how "women are b*tches".

Yeah, the world is a f*cked up place, and a lot of us have been programmed with negative conditionings. But all this site will do is give you a new set of negative conditionings...which are even harder to get out of because they justify your lack of success with women.

Bash Mystery all you want, but give him credit for being good at what he does. He could have just sat and complained about whatever he could use to justify his failures. But at least he had the balls and tenacity to go out and get that part of his life taken care of.

If you guys are here for self-improvement and not girls (which I highly doubt)...get a damn self-help book. Figure out what it is exactly you want to improve, learn how to do it, and get out there and make it happen. Many men have achieved fame, success, and power without ever logging on to SoSuave to figure it out.

Otherwise, ignore the tripe posted here and either shadow a more sexually experienced forum member (if there are any left) or download a ebook by a reputable PUA learn his methodology for getting laid. I did the latter, and when I learned it with an open mind, went out there and practiced just a little bit of the material, it helped me lose my virginity.


And after this thread, I will probably cease posting for good. Not that I expect anyone here to care, but a lot of guys here should just do the same and get their dating life under control if thats what they really want.

 

[Answers]

You sound like somebody trying to sell something! Don't read sosuave but buy an ebook! lol

The site is helping people and though not all the advise is good at least by reading multiple threads people start to see the bigger picture.

 

[Incog]

SS may not have helped you, and it may not help person A or person B, but it's helping people. We aren't trying to produce an army of mindless insects who will obey every command, instead, it goes something like this: Chumps in a mush come here, veterans on this forum mold them and set them in line. Daily, the truth is being impressed upon them. Yes, there are going to be trolls and kids with completely screwed mindsets, but they're outnumbered, so the advice provided on these forums is generally decent.

 

[KontrollerX]

I strongly disagree.

This site in my opinion is the most positive and forward thinking place on the entire internet.

Compared to most other websites out there this place is a shining city on a hill.

Perhaps when reading this site if you continue to do so you should take Victory Unlimited's advice and that is take from this place what you feel can help you and disregard the rest.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

the key to making so suave work for you is in:

- The Archives - Some amazing, thought provoking debates. The older the thread, the more knowledge that is packed into it

- The Mature Men Section - Is it just me, or 100% of the responses are on-topic, logical, and sound seduction-wise. Sometimes I really want to join in the fracas but for now I just read and learn. The fact that I don't jump in helps the forum in a way.

- The DJ Bible - Not really as great coz it tends to categorize each post and readers often overlook ideas or responses but still a great read


So don't say that SoSuave does not work, coz it does, you are just looking for answers in all the wrong places. The past is still pertinent, women have not evolved over the last 8 years, making previous posters data irrelevant.

 

[frivolousz21]

you need to read a Tony Robbins book..I dont think this is a place that can help you

 

[FutureSpartan]

the key to making so suave work for you is in:

- The Archives - Some amazing, thought provoking debates. The older the thread, the more knowledge that is packed into it

- The Mature Men Section - Is it just me, or 100% of the responses are on-topic, logical, and sound seduction-wise. Sometimes I really want to join in the fracas but for now I just read and learn. The fact that I don't jump in helps the forum in a way.

- The DJ Bible - Not really as great coz it tends to categorize each post and readers often overlook ideas or responses but still a great read


So don't say that SoSuave does not work, coz it does, you are just looking for answers in all the wrong places. The past is still pertinent, women have not evolved over the last 8 years, making previous posters data irrelevant.

I agree with all this...I guess its just irritating reading some of the newer threads and going WTF??

The older stuff is definitely more enlightening, but again, the trap is you end up an internet philospher if you fail to actually put those ideas in action.

I think SoSuave definitely needs a How-To manual thread. There is so much conflicting information here that there needs to be some kind of consensus on some of the most basic issues. For example, there are guys here that still think that women don't like sex and their only desire is to look good or have status. Or that all women go for model looking men and if you're not then you're f*cked.

And maybe a required "lurk period" like fastseduction.com before posting anything.

Yeah, there are golden nuggets to be found here, but if taken care of better it could be a f*cking gold mine.

 

[frivolousz21]

I agree with all this...I guess its just irritating reading some of the newer threads and going WTF??

The older stuff is definitely more enlightening, but again, the trap is you end up an internet philospher if you fail to actually put those ideas in action.

I think SoSuave definitely needs a How-To manual thread. There is so much conflicting information here that there needs to be some kind of consensus on some of the most basic issues. For example, there are guys here that still think that women don't like sex and their only desire is to look good or have status. Or that all women go for model looking men and if you're not then you're f*cked.

And maybe a required "lurk period" like fastseduction.com before posting anything.

Yeah, there are golden nuggets to be found here, but if taken care of better it could be a f*cking gold mine.

it doenst need a how to manual.

it needs you to get off ur ass and stop making excuses?

how old are you? if your under the age of 23...go to a mall and hit on 50 women in a weekend..you can do 30 on sat and 20 on sunday.

then come back monday and tell us how it went

you wont do it..your to scared to do it...if you did do it...I can bet my life your attitude about this would be completely different.

 

[L777]

If just one person can prove that sosuave DOES help, then you have no right starting this thread, because its an inaccurate generalisation.

I know for a fact it helped me. I suggest you change the word "you" to the word "me" in the thread title.

 

[FutureSpartan]

it doenst need a how to manual.

it needs you to get off ur ass and stop making excuses?

how old are you? if your under the age of 23...go to a mall and hit on 50 women in a weekend..you can do 30 on sat and 20 on sunday.

then come back monday and tell us how it went

you wont do it..your to scared to do it...if you did do it...I can bet my life your attitude about this would be completely different.

Why are you telling me this?? Im on the same page as you buddy...Im going to the mall monday and wednesday to practice. Tell that to others here that are still rationalizing their failures.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

I agree with all this...I guess its just irritating reading some of the newer threads and going WTF??
I only read a couple of the journals and a select few posters. I'll give ever poster a go, but I usually end up ignoring a couple or avoiding their posts and philosophies. Generally speaking, anyone concerned with more attractive people gettin all the girls, women not wanting sex, race wars, etc have nothing valuable to say in general and so they are ignored.
The older stuff is definitely more enlightening, but again, the trap is you end up an internet philospher if you fail to actually put those ideas in action.
Is that SoSuave's fault our your own though...
I think SoSuave definitely needs a How-To manual thread. There is so much conflicting information here that there needs to be some kind of consensus on some of the most basic issues. For example, there are guys here that still think that women don't like sex and their only desire is to look good or have status. Or that all women go for model looking men and if you're not then you're f*cked.
You want to get better with women, read the old stuff, you want to socialize, join a regular message board or stay in anything else. The information is here, you just want it on the front page instead of the archives.
And maybe a required "lurk period" like fastseduction.com before posting anything.

Yeah, there are golden nuggets to be found here, but if taken care of better it could be a f*cking gold mine.
It's not about what you see in sosuave but what you take from it. Think about how irrelevant the stuff you are complaining about is. You can find the information to better your life, whats the problem? Having to use the search function? Come on man...

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[FutureSpartan]

Microphone Fiend...

You made a lot of good points...and yes I did inaccurately generalize this site, seeing how my post had the better forum members responding out of the woodwork.

In a way its good I posted this, your respones are valuable on how to use this site. You have to admit, there is a lot of bad, misleading advice. And downright stupid theories. But knowing where to find the nuggets of wisdom and applying it will benefit the members here.

 

[Maxfarsigth]

I think this site helps some people the same way it helped me.
It got me thinking about stuff like:
"Are you gonna sit there and complain, or are you gonna start being a man an do something about your dating issues?!"

I think there are many good threads here that actually teach how to:
- Just relax and stop thinking too much about stuff.
- Start to take actions instead of wondering and complaining.
- Encourage a state of mind where the important is yourself.
- Maybe it will actually bring to surface the extreme basics some didn't know: don't put women on pedestals or how to kiss info.

I also think theres a strong relation between self-improvement and dating and seducing woman:
- If you don't like yourself, how are you going to make a girl want you?
- Girls like men with improved characteristics.

The key here is taking action. Just like Good Ol Pook said once: Unite dream and day.

I don't consider myself a DJ. I think I am what is called a Developing AFC.
I encourage people in my condition to post ideas, opinions and experiences so you can learn out of good replys.
For those how have no experience: please, reserve your words. The worst thing could happen to this forum is turning good info into false non-funded advice. I say this because DJs are made through practice, development and experience gain. Just like many other aspects in life.

Please everybody: lets keep this forum quality going up so the information contained here gets to be so good it actually helps people and get them to work in their dating issues.

 

[The Inside Man]

actually I posted a question last week about giving a girl your number, and problems with number closing a girl in a busy work environment, but some posters gave me the critical advice I needed to just man up and go in and ask for her number, which I did and it worked great. So that is one example. People in Health and fitness are trying to help each other become more in shape or develop their personal goals.

 

[drak_ool]

the trap is you end up an internet philospher if you fail to actually put those ideas in action.

i agree with that assertion 100%. However, if you decide to just sit in your chair all day, typing away, instead of going out and testing the knowledge you accumulate on here, whose fault is it?

the premise is that you got here because you weren't satisfied with the level of your game. For somebody at any level, there is SOME info that is useful. Now what you do with that info is your choice, so don't blame your lack of success with women on a website

 

[ducaro]

OK may be this site is only as useful as a large piece of chicken breast in terms of getting you laid...but, this site has opened my eyes in soo many ways. That is priceless. That is something NOBODY will tell you or even teach you.

I think this website is an excellent way to get to know yourself better. :yes: I think it reveals to you REALITY.

Sure there is a lot of bitterness, mindless (but entertaining) drama, overinflated egos, negativity, e-politics, self-limiting beliefs, "no sh*t, sherlock" advice, and "downright sh*t" advice blab blah and what not... but hey that is out there in REAL LIFE TOO! So beat it.

 

[Crazy Asian]

i admit, at first, when i read stuff on this forum, i thought it was just techniques.... and i followed them.

but as time went on, i came on this forum less and less, and started to develop my own self. Sosuave will not help solve ur problems, but for those in a slump, it will shock ur mind and enlighten ur thoughts about life and women.

For me, sosuave did not give me any methods or techniques that i found usefull, but reading all these different posts gave me an overall mindset of where i should be aiming. Now, i don't rely on this forum and see how i should adjust my behavior due to experiences in real life.

i'm still young compared to most people on here, but it feels like I've matured so much in such a little period of time. I used to think all I wanted was popularity, but now, i couldn't give a sh1t about it. I have my own passions to work for. A few close friends are all I need.

sosuave did help me because before i came on this site, i was worrying about how to make girls fall in love with me and i was wondering if i was ugly or not. But that doesn't even matter anymore, because i have more important things going on: my life.

 

[Being_the_Don]

i admit, at first, when i read stuff on this forum, i thought it was just techniques.... and i followed them.

but as time went on, i came on this forum less and less, and started to develop my own self. Sosuave will not help solve ur problems, but for those in a slump, it will shock ur mind and enlighten ur thoughts about life and women.

For me, sosuave did not give me any methods or techniques that i found usefull, but reading all these different posts gave me an overall mindset of where i should be aiming. Now, i don't rely on this forum and see how i should adjust my behavior due to experiences in real life.

i'm still young compared to most people on here, but it feels like I've matured so much in such a little period of time. I used to think all I wanted was popularity, but now, i couldn't give a sh1t about it. I have my own passions to work for. A few close friends are all I need.

sosuave did help me because before i came on this site, i was worrying about how to make girls fall in love with me and i was wondering if i was ugly or not. But that doesn't even matter anymore, because i have more important things going on: my life.

Good post.

 

[Socialreject]

Well I agree that there is a lot of 'ego' floating around here, something which is not very conductive to seduction since ego is something entirely different than confidence.

There is also a lot of pissing contests, which imho oozes of insecurity... about trying to establish the pecking order, while in truth, the men who get what they want don't even bother with pecking order...

I think all in all, there is some good advice to be found here, in some posts, and certain articles.

A lot of articles fall to the same trap of oozing ego and the "i'm the sh1t and she's the flee" mentality, or are downright sleazy...

So yeah, there is some helpfull info here, but you have to dig through the crap to find it.

 

[iqqi]

This site used to be great.

But then again, all the "famous" posters from the earlier days have a "good ole days" mentality when they revisit these forums. When I used to post here in 03, some of the Bible posters would return and seem distraught over how the board had gone to sh!t. And now that I have returned... I am almost aghast at some of the common mentality running rampant on these boards now.

There were actually some great threads and posters a few years ago... I can't think of anyone here now that I look forward to a thread from.

And I am not surprised that the "famous" posters have not even so much as breathed near this place in a looong time.

If and when they drop in, they don't even bother posting at all. If they see that I am back here, they might shoot me a pm, and that is about it.