SoSuave and DJs, help me with a big life decision in terms of deciding cities for my 20s.

[drakeisfire]

About me:

Mid 20s kid, living in Atlanta, not happy here at all in regards to women and dating. Find that if you are not into black women, which I am not, you are fighting for scraps. Got a big thing for white women but find them approachable and closed off in their tight knit post grad sorority cliques or whatever. Tried night game in Buckhead for a few months, no luck at all and not much luck on dating apps either. Social life has been lackluster too for the most part.

Not really in the best shape of my life so not aesthetic, think I can fix that.

Took some PTO from work this week to finalize some interviews and got three offers so far (middle of next week to accept) and hear back from one more companies before the end of the week. Here are my options.

1. Stay in Atlanta and get a higher paying job here at a better workplace.

Already finalized and I will be making close to 80k in my mid 20s with an opportunity to make six figures two years from now. In the meantime I can become more aesthetic but I wonder if it would even help me get the girls I want in Atlanta, seems like they go for fat bubbas who were in frats in college.

2. Move to Austin.

Got the other job offer in Austin, TX and it is not going to pay as much as the Atlanta offer but I heard great things about often. Heard Texas has some of the finest women in the country too and they're pretty chill so might consider it because of that. Plus I heard its the state to be in if you like white girls.

3. Move to Tempe, AZ.

Got a job offer out there making the least of all the places but it is Tempe, not heard much about it outside of the fact that it has Arizona St.

4. If it works out, move to DC.

Have not heard great things about the dating culture of the city but I hear it is getting better now a days. Most expensive city on the list for sure but like to hear your thoughts there guys.

 

[skinnyguy]

Don’t move to Tempe if you’re not white or black

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Don't decide such major decisions based on females.

That's like saying...

What career could I get that would impress girls the most?

 

[ohrein]

Don't decide such major decisions based on females.

That's like saying...

What career could I get that would impress girls the most?

Spot on.

Austin, Texas is the best on that list but I wouldn't do it for dating as Richard pointed out. You should start hitting the gym before you get into it anyway. Also, game is as important as money and looks so make sure you're reading the bible and tuning your game.

 

[MrWood]

Hawaii (I lived there from 19-23)

 

[drakeisfire]

I completely disagree with Richard and Skinnyguy, there is a reason they are the main dudes struggling on this forum.

As a young guy, it is important to have dating success and location matters a great deal in that, all experts will say this. So I rather hear good answers that actually answer the relevant question than some BS motivational nonsense by guys who are struggling, don't go around giving advice when your own life sucks and you are one of the main dudes whining.

I want to hear the best choice for my situation than some garbage that belongs on a motivational poster.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I completely disagree with Richard and Skinnyguy, there is a reason they are the main dudes struggling on this forum.

As a young guy, it is important to have dating success and location matters a great deal in that, all experts will say this. So I rather hear good answers that actually answer the relevant question than some BS motivational nonsense by guys who are struggling, don't go around giving advice when your own life sucks and you are one of the main dudes whining.

I want to hear the best choice for my situation than some garbage that belongs on a motivational poster.

I,fvck the hottest girls of anyone here, while other people go on little wimpy dates.

 

[CMNILS87]

I,fvck the hottest girls of anyone here, while other people go on little wimpy dates.

Lol

 

[CMNILS87]

Minneapolis MN man. City is huge like 3-4 million tons of high paying jobs, lots of things to do 24/7 and white chicks everywhere

 

[sazc]

I completely disagree with Richard and Skinnyguy, there is a reason they are the main dudes struggling on this forum.

As a young guy, it is important to have dating success and location matters a great deal in that, all experts will say this. So I rather hear good answers that actually answer the relevant question than some BS motivational nonsense by guys who are struggling, don't go around giving advice when your own life sucks and you are one of the main dudes whining.

I want to hear the best choice for my situation than some garbage that belongs on a motivational poster.

I,fvck the hottest girls of anyone here, while other people go on little wimpy dates.

This is a PERFECT example of why you will never win at life or feel good about yourself @RichardTheFrog

Someone MERELY had a different viewpoint than you did, and you took the idea that they could disagree with youy personally, and got hostile on them for expressing it.

Ridiculous. You lack basic communication skills. You aren't worthy of the help these guys offer you daily.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

This is a PERFECT example of why you will never win at life or feel good about yourself @RichardTheFrog

Someone MERELY had a different viewpoint than you did, and you took the idea that they could disagree with youy personally, and got hostile on them for expressing it.

Ridiculous. You lack basic communication skills. You aren't worthy of the help these guys offer you daily.

win at life = make money?

 

[sazc]

win at life = make money?

Quit talking to me. You're dumb as fvck and you've never done a single impressive thing ever. Your opinions are meaningless.

Oh come on @RichardTheFrog you ALREADY intuitively know that having some wealth is never going to satisfy your inner self need for validation and your desperate desire to feel accepted for who you are. You just keep hoping that you are wrong. Your intuition is not wrong. Achieving wealth is a temporary ego boost. When you realize money does not change the intrinsic value that people see IN you, then what?

Good luck with it all.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Oh come on @RichardTheFrog you ALREADY intuitively know that having some wealth is never going to satisfy your inner self need for validation and your desperate desire to feel accepted for who you are. You just keep hoping that you are wrong. Your intuition is not wrong. Achieving wealth is a temporary ego boost. When you realize money does not change the intrinsic value that people see IN you, then what?

Good luck with it all.

But it might satisfy my inner need for blowj0bs from Hooters girls.

Wealth is not temporary if you continue to run and expand the business.

In a world of over 7 billion people, 99.9% of the people you come across will never even get to know you. Why would I leave it up to others to determine my intrinsic value?

 

[sazc]

In a world of over 7 billion people, 99.9% of the people you come across will never even get to know you. Why would I leave it up to others to determine my intrinsic value?

That's the biggest issue with you, you're still not in touch with who you really are inside, and how you really feel about yourself.

There's no amount of game or wealth or advice that can help you achieve what you want to achieve socially.

Anytime someone engages you on here, to offer anything, it's all wasted breath.

 

[sazc]

@RichardTheFrog

It's pretty clear to me that you talk down about women, degrade women, call them boring, etc so that you can justify to your INNER self that the reason they aren't flocking to, and fawning all over, you is because they are all lesser beings, etc.

It's blatsntly a mechanism of quieting the inner anxiety and feelings of 'lack of self worth' that you harbor.

Look at your bar thread from last night. You went out with the mindset of being social. Being social didn't organically happen, you realized you were going to have to put YOURSELF out there, and possibly get rejected socially. So what did you do? You started bashing women, bashing people. You even went so far as to snarl at women who looked your way. This ensures you can continue the narrative that THEY are all garbage, ensures that you won't have to put yourself into a vulnerable position to talk to them, and it ensures that you will keep a comfortable distance from then.

It's ALL ego saving behavior, designed to shut the anxiety down and quiet the feelings of 'not being enough'

 

[sazc]

@RichardTheFrog

If you want to stop paying for pvssy you're going to have to stop the self sabotaging behavior.

If you're cool with paying for pvssy then you've got that scenario on lockdown, why are you wasting everyone's time in this website?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

@RichardTheFrog

It's pretty clear to me that you talk down about women, degrade women, call them boring, etc so that you can justify to your INNER self that the reason they aren't flocking to, and fawning all over, you is because they are all lesser beings, etc.

It's blatsntly a mechanism of quieting the inner anxiety and feelings of 'lack of self worth' that you harbor.

Look at your bar thread from last night. You went out with the mindset of being social. Being social didn't organically happen, you realized you were going to have to put YOURSELF out there, and possibly get rejected socially. So what did you do? You started bashing women, bashing people. You even went so far as to snarl at women who looked your way. This ensures you can continue the narrative that THEY are all garbage, ensures that you won't have to put yourself into a vulnerable position to talk to them, and it ensures that you will keep a comfortable distance from then.

It's ALL ego saving behavior, designed to shut the anxiety down and quiet the feelings of 'not being enough'

No. I go to a bar and see a bunch of girls that look to be not worth my time and that have no value to add to my life.

I didn't say anything overly degrading about anyone or about females in general.

Why can't I call an idiot an idiot? If a girl is talking about some retarded bull$h1t like the astrological signs of her former boyfriends, why can't I just call her an idiot?

 

[CMNILS87]

But it might satisfy my inner need for blowj0bs from Hooters girls.

Wealth is not temporary if you continue to run and expand the business.

In a world of over 7 billion people, 99.9% of the people you come across will never even get to know you. Why would I leave it up to others to determine my intrinsic value?

Because “intrinsic value” and reputation is everything. I just finished a deck and pergola for a customer I built for like 5 years ago. He decided my intrinsic value as high, that’s why I got a referral. His next door neighbor comes over and I chat him up since his deck is older and sagging. He stated that, “dang you work quick for one guy and that looks super nice, I’m looking for some rework, redo my deck too, just toss a courtesy bid for me and I’ll talk it over with the wife, I’m sure it’ll be fine”. I let them define my value, because when they do I get referrals

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Because “intrinsic value” and reputation is everything. I just finished a deck and pergola for a customer I built for like 5 years ago. He decided my intrinsic value as high, that’s why I got a referral. His next door neighbor comes over and I chat him up since his deck is older and sagging. He stated that, “dang you work quick for one guy and that looks super nice, I’m looking for some rework, redo my deck too, just toss a courtesy bid for me and I’ll talk it over with the wife, I’m sure it’ll be fine”. I let them define my value, because when they do I get referrals

But your value in this case is based on something tangible. Your ability to do high quality work for a good price and in a good amount of time.

Same way that girls should be judging guys on tangible things and not some "games" they know how to play. But it's hard to decipher what exactly they need from any one man, or from men in general. It's obvious what your customers need from you - a well built deck.

 

[CMNILS87]

But technically until I produce a product my reputation and customer service is still intangible. The moment I turn over the physical property and collect my other 50% of cost then it’s tangible.

But your value in this case is based on something tangible. Your ability to do high quality work for a good price and in a good amount of time.

Same way that girls should be judging guys on tangible things and not some "games" they know how to play. But it's hard to decipher what exactly they need from any one man, or from men in general. It's obvious what your customers need from you - a well built deck.