Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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jester1x

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Sounds more like reverse psychology to me. She may be seeing other men but it sounds like you rank high on her list. She probably doesn't want to scare you off. Haven't you heard that saying that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach?

She sleeps with you, cooks for you and also picks up the tab!? Sounds like you got a winner to me.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Sounds more like reverse psychology to me. She may be seeing other men but it sounds like you rank high on her list. She probably doesn't want to scare you off. Haven't you heard that saying that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach?

She sleeps with you, cooks for you and also picks up the tab!? Sounds like you got a winner to me.
Yeah, she can't do this with EVERYONE or she would be out of time and dead broke... He's the prize it sounds like. I would also have her come your way for the sex thing maybe near 1/2 of the time. She's already showing commitment in her actions, but it would completely verify that she's spending her TIME and ENERGY on you.
 

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He could have an honest to God "BRENDA" on his hands....If he does he is lucky and better treat her right !
 

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surprised it hasn't been asked:

How do you know she only wants a FWB relationship?

If you answer this question as honest as possible, you will probably see your first mistake and maybe one of the reasons why.

As it stands now imo, You're an option for her- but not an option right now for ltr. You don't have what she wants (it's something) to make you a LTR right now for her. Examine your gut and ask yourself what that could be and I guarantee you probably already know the answer. Not being relationship material is a two sided swored. It can be good or bad...it just depends on occurances that has happened that you haven't went into detail on.

Thing thing is now that you atleast know the cards that are on the table, you need to keep your options open as well but also allow her to keep doing the things she's doing. Turn the tables and make her realize the only reason you're hanging around is because she's like this.
 

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Wanted to provide a bit of an update:

I flaked on an outing that we had previously set up ... told her i was busy and we can reschedule for the following week. After that, the crazy started.

When we got together recently - she spent the whole time trying to understand where my head is at and where she stands with me compared to the other girls ... she wants an exclusive relationship now etc.

Morale of the story: ALWAYS PUT MORE WEIGHT ON A GIRLS ACTIONS OVER *ANYTHING* SHE SAYS.
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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OP, you're are dealing with a Narcissist. She began love bombing you with all the treats, dinners, mind blowing sex and cared for your every need along with telling you everything you wanted to hear. Narcs like FWB situations because they cannot have an emotional relationship. They are incapable of it. She's going to up and down you like a yo-yo and will eventually control everything you do. If you start kicking, she'll lay the guilt trip b$ on you. If you can handle her mental game WITHOUT EMOTION and be a TRUE FWB, then go for it and enjoy. If not, then run the other way and never look back. If you think this is B$, then live the life and find out. Good Luck!
 

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OP, you're are dealing with a Narcissist. She began love bombing you with all the treats, dinners, mind blowing sex and cared for your every need along with telling you everything you wanted to hear. Narcs like FWB situations because they cannot have an emotional relationship. They are incapable of it. She's going to up and down you like a yo-yo and will eventually control everything you do. If you start kicking, she'll lay the guilt trip b$ on you. If you can handle her mental game WITHOUT EMOTION and be a TRUE FWB, then go for it and enjoy. If not, then run the other way and never look back. If you think this is B$, then live the life and find out. Good Luck!
I thought she may be BPD. Love bombed with the food, cooking, drinks, and sex in the beginning followed by his confusion about her. He flaked on the outing triggering abandonment fears. Now she's all over him. Said himself the crazy started.
Guess he will find out sooner or later.
 
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She may be BPD. Love bombed with the food, cooking, drinks, and sex. He flaked on the outing triggering abandonment fears. Now she's all over him. Said himself the crazy started.
She's not entirely BPD, she's NPD, or a combo of both. However, if you know NPD, then the signs are all there. Love bombed, super abandonment fears, insecure as hell, needy and selfish to name a few. Like you said, the OP himself said "the crazy started". If you can't control an NPD chick, then run away. They are no more than a 6 year old stuck in an adult body. So, if you're going to continue hitting it, you must void yourself off ALL emotion and attachment of ANY kind!
 

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Sounds like this chick has been reading SoSuave. You're a plate bro! Whether she's banging other dudes or not she's talking to them.

You can try to get her exclusive because it sounds like she'll be gone eventually anyway; nothing to lose in trying if you got the feels.
 

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She's not entirely BPD, she's NPD, or a combo of both. However, if you know NPD, then the signs are all there. Love bombed, super abandonment fears, insecure as hell, needy and selfish to name a few. Like you said, the OP himself said "the crazy started". If you can't control an NPD chick, then run away. They are no more than a 6 year old stuck in an adult body. So, if you're going to continue hitting it, you must void yourself off ALL emotion and attachment of ANY kind!
Guess he'll find out if they ever get to their comfort stage and she does her first complete and abrupt 180 on him, or if she just gradually starts tearing him apart from himself earlier.
 
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts. Do not catch feelings unless she brings up being exclusive with you and wants a commitment for it from you.
How do you not catch feelings? It seems natural for me that after some time you just start to feel something towards her. This feelings becomes especially obvious when she dumps you or do something which is hard to accept for you.
 

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How do you not catch feelings? It seems natural for me that after some time you just start to feel something towards her. This feelings becomes especially obvious when she dumps you or do something which is hard to accept for you.
Reread the OP's original post. She only wants a FWB arrangement. Why get feelings for a girl that does not currently feel the same about you and only wants you for the sex?
Sort of like banging your head against a brick wall…
 
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Reread the OP's original post. She only wants a FWB arrangement. Why get feelings for a girl that does not currently feel the same about you and only wants you for the sex?
Sort of like banging your head against a brick wall…
Sometime ago I wanted a girl and I did not want to attach to her. However stupid it is I did attached to her in spite of red flags she had on her. She has never attached to me (although she is attracted) and dumped me in favour of her ex. That is why I asked the question.
 

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Sometime ago I wanted a girl and I did not want to attach to her. However stupid it is I did attached to her in spite of red flags she had on her. She has never attached to me (although she is attracted) and dumped me in favour of her ex. That is why I asked the question.
That's why extreme and thorough qualification of a girl is of utmost importantance.
You obviously noticed the red flags, but disregarded them. It happens.
 
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That's why extreme and thorough qualification of a girl is of utmost importantance.
You obviously noticed the red flags, but disregarded them. It happens.
Even if she did not have red flags it would not invalidate my question about attachement. If she did not have red flags then she would be better and I would attach even easier. So my question is still valid: how you do not fall in love with women you are meeting regularly and like.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Start your own thread with your own details and get advice from all the forum members.
 

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Sounds more like reverse psychology to me. She may be seeing other men but it sounds like you rank high on her list. She probably doesn't want to scare you off. Haven't you heard that saying that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach?

She sleeps with you, cooks for you and also picks up the tab!? Sounds like you got a winner to me.
I was thinking this too. Her comment about looking for someone to marry was a shyt test. You checking her online dating status is weak minded in my opinion. Once I have their cell number I block and hide them on the online date site.

This girl likes you, a lot. What I'm interested in knowing is how often/long you guys talk on the phone when she's not visiting. Is it a few text exchanges or hour long convos on the phone each evening.

If your having long conversations she is locking you down from pursuing other plates. If it's quick text exchanges it means she''s spinning plates herself.

Since its only been a month you should be no where near looking at exclusivity yet. I'd be concerned if she asked for exclusivity too early. I say keep up the good work. Keep your frame and fwck her vigorously. Spin plates.
 
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Wanted to provide a bit of an update:

I flaked on an outing that we had previously set up ... told her i was busy and we can reschedule for the following week. After that, the crazy started.

When we got together recently - she spent the whole time trying to understand where my head is at and where she stands with me compared to the other girls ... she wants an exclusive relationship now etc.

Morale of the story: ALWAYS PUT MORE WEIGHT ON A GIRLS ACTIONS OVER *ANYTHING* SHE SAYS.
Obviously I responded before reading this update. Yeah too good to be true. Sorry bro.
 

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So i hit it off with this girl i met online. We were having sex shortly after the first date.
Happens to me every time, sex on first date, or on second date. Avoid dating to avoid sex. Sex always leads to problems.

This girl is really great in a lot of ways .. in almost every way actually.
Actually that is my experience as well, my head gets cloudy, and I begin caring for the stranger that I met online. Great thing though, when I meet new men, this don't happen, that means I am not gay.

has me convinced she doesn't have a long history as a slut
She has you caring for her. You already believe you met this one girl who is not a slut. But they are all sluts.

texting me often .. initiating dates .. coming over for awesome sex marathons
Women love sex.

The thing is, that i like her, and it puzzles the crap out of me that she would show so many signs of high interest but she only wants FWB situation.
Your mind is cloudy. That girl is like every other girl, a slut. She just wants sex.


 

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She swears I'm the only guy she's fvcking .. and normally i would just roll my eyes and not believe it .. but at the moment i have no reason to believe otherwise.
Maybe... but she's not convinced yet you are the guy. Go date other women. Your problem is that you are putting out "I want a relationship vib", women run from this that fire. If you want her to want you exclusively then she needs to believe you have options and you don't give a fvck if she walks away.

I know it's counter intuitive... but that is women. She will not believe you are a good catch unless other women think you are.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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