Social Experiment 1

[Reyaj]

Ok so we all know that I always get too anxious and analyze situations to death therefore my success is flawed with women.


I have two dates tonight. One dinner date, and then the movies to follow. I am going to drink before each date so that I feel a buzz. This is for experimental purposes only.

Usually when I am out on dates I never try anything because I don't want the girl to lose respect for me. Both of these are basically 2nd dates from old girls I used to go out with but never got anywhere with.

I will post my results, no matter what happens!

 

[everywomanshero]

Why are you drinking?

Just try to kiss both of them. It's simple to me. You run your best game then try to kiss close. This shouldn't make you nervous at all.

 

[Reyaj]

Ok it only ended up being 1 girl cause the other girl cancelled on me (had some family problems)

Let me tell you how the experiment went. I had dated this girl years ago but she lost interest in me because she felt I was insecure. Since I didnt end things bad I had contacted her recently and we started talking again. I basically told her I wanted to be friends and she thought that was a great idea. I then joking told her she sould invite me out for dinner and to my surprise she agreed.

So thats what happend yesterday. She invited me out to a good restaurant. Now unlike before when I went out with her, I made sure I got nice and buzzed before we went to the restaurant. I basically felt more comfortable talking to her and not constantly thiking about plotting my next move or wondering what she thought about me.

Anyway she did pay for dinner and I drove her back to her house. Now as I pulled up I noticed she was taking a while trying to find her house keys before she got out of my car.

Well I have seen "Hitch" and I took this as a sign that this girl wanted to be kissed. So I leaned in to kiss her, but she gave me her cheek.

So then she still was looking for her keys, so I leaned in again, and she kinda giggled and was like "what are you doing"

I'm like "no kiss?"

She's paused and giggled for a second is like "sure"

so I kissed her very softly and for a very short time, then pulled away and said good night.


I still got nervous when i was going to kiss her because she was being so difficult. However If I wasn't buzzed I knew that I wouldn't have even tried after I got her cheek the first time.

All I could think about was how good her breasts looked in her outfit and it was my horiness that motivated me here.

Anyway I think on her end it may have been a pity kiss.... so I don't know if I should bother calling her, or what not...


Opinions?????????


I always like to give real world examples in my posts.

 

[Reyaj]

BUMP

 

[LeMac]

Well, I think we'd need to know a LOT more about the girl. It could be part of her personality...her victim-type, or she isn't currently into you.

 

[Blackdragon5095]

Before you go on a date make sure your wake and review the dating tips. Don't get Buzz man. Come on face your fear, don't run from it. Breath in 3 times and tell yourself I can do this. Give us the results.

Some Tips:
Add some humor
Converstion - Don't gossip
Don't stare at her b00bs
Kino, kino and more kino !!!
You are a man - be the leader !!!


Have fun and good luck

 

[PRMoon]

There was nothing negative about the date and it seems you could get another date if you wanted to so the balls in your court homie. If you like her ask her out again, if not don't.

If this is indeed an "experiment" then the outcome should be noted more for research rather then personal gradifcation.

 

[FRëSHURE]

You were too anxious and are now analyzing the situations to death therefore your success is will be flawed with this woman.

she sould invite me out for dinner and to my surprise she agreed.

...and to my surprise... you started the date with her on a pedastool. you started the date with her value higher then your own.

and not constantly thiking about plotting my next move or wondering what she thought about me.

You got drunk so you wouldn't be thinking about game. I'm always drunk when sarging (cause i sarge in clubs) but I'm always sober on dates. I had 5-10 bad dates where i was too scared to kiss the girl, then I got over my fear and now dates are easy. Being drunk is avoiding the problem.
Thinking about the game, and your next move is probably better then forgetting entirely about game, and just p*ssing on about whatever is in your head.

Now as I pulled up I noticed she was taking a while trying to find her house keys before she got out of my car.

She couldn't find her keys. Over Analysis. Hitch told you that. Great.

I'm not Hitch, but heres a new tip for you.

If she's wearing socks on a date it means that she wants you to try and stick your hand into her rectum without removing any of her clothing.

Hitch's tip is stupid. So is mine.

Don't believe everything you hear.

so I don't know if I should bother calling her, or what not

You got a kiss. Whether it be pity or not it demonstrates that she is atleast a little bit attracted to you.

Would you be disapointed in 'pity sex'? I wouldn't be.

Hell, I'd love some pity sex right now.

The only problem may be she won't want to see you again.

I suggest setting the next date up as something exciting, so she won't say no.

I suggest going to the next date sober.

I suggest learning the f*ck how to act on a date, using those skills on the girl, and wowing her into some 'non-pity sex' aka 'sex'.

Try and find a post from MindOverMatter in the tips section about dating. Its by far the best dating tip i've ever read.

EDIT: link to MoM post.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77509&highlight=date

 

[Reyaj]

Just to let everyone know, this experiment is concluded yet. That one date that got cancelled will be rescheduled and I will try this method when go on that date.

Regarding this girl.. well I actually called like on Wednesday. She answered and we talked for like 3 minutes cause she was on her way to get her nails done.

She has been online when I have and barely messaged me. When I messaged her she basically replied but didn't really converse.

I think this is as I imagined. Her interest level is low so I am not going to bother pursuing.

Will post any updates though.


All my threads are for experimental purposes to show real world examples.

 

[Reyaj]

Ok, I'm going out with the 2nd girl tonight (the one that cancelled on me last time)

I am actually taking her out to dinner to the same place I went with date number 1. The only difference is that last time my date paid, this time I will have to.


I already took 2 shots and ma getting nice and buzzed. Wish me luck! I will post results.

 

[Reyaj]

Ok...

So by the time I picked this girl up I was buzzed (keyword buzzed not drunk)

I was very out going, relaxed. We went to the restaurant and had to wait for a table. I was relaxed, started talking to her joking. Really just not thinking about any apprehensions like I normally do.

Well dinner went well I guess, we talked I seemed to be comfortable. I even had a beer with my meal. So anyway after dinner I still was thinking a lot about whether I should kino her...

Here's a question.... I've noticed that as I've walked with girls outside or even inside they often say "I'm cold"

Now should I use this opportunity to practice Kino? I always feel akward when this happens. Like one time I started rubbing the girl's shoulders but I felt kinda stupid... like it was a forced move....

Is this a sign?

Anyway ok back the story, so I dropped her off in front of her house, and just like with the first situation I had in my mind that I was going to go the kiss.

So after telling her I had a good time, I leaned in, and unlike the other girl who gave me her cheek, this girl had her lips ready!

Ok but the thing was that it was a simple peck. So I kind of had this smirk on my face afterwards like (thats it lol)

But anyway she didnt leave my car, asking me if I was sure if I knew how to find the highway ok. I told her I did, smiled, and then she kind of put her head out, so I leaned in and this time I kissed her lips again, held there for a second, and slipped my tongue into her mouth. It was nice, but like with the first girl a short kiss. I pulled back and she seemed a little surprised and she went in her house.


So far it seems like alcohol helps....

Feedback?

 

[wolfie]

Couple of tips:

With kino - what kind of kino are you doing exactly?
Walking arm in arm?
Hand holding?
Putting your hand on her shoulder/back/leg at ANY time?
Playful hitting and hugging?
Stroking hair?

Try walking arm in arm for a start when you get outside. If you're strolling in an uncrowded area, walk arm in arm, if you're leading her thru a crowd, hold hands.

The I'm cold thing - go "Awwww", put your arm around her shoulders and pull her in, rubbing her shoulder with your hand. Then walk abit like this.

Why are you waiting til you drop them off before kissing? That's very high school. You should ideally be taking her to somewhere isolated like a booth in a bar, or a bench somewhere where you can makeout. The whole dropping them off and having a goodnight kiss is well... lame. I suppose you think she'll then invite you in for coffee and you'll have sex?

Finally, it seems your day 2s are structured, simplistic and boring. You pick them up, go to dinner and drop them off, kissing them goodnight. Why don't you go to multiple venues and do multiple activities together?
Go for a walk by somewhere scenic. Go to a bar for a drink. Play some pool. Check out some shops. Go for ice cream. The more she has done with you, the more comfortable she'll be with you. And then go for makeout when you have her isolated at some point.. not at the end of the night.

Good luck and have fun!

 

[Reyaj]

Wolfie great tips, I do agree with everything you said. I usually do try and get that walk in somewhere scenic in however where I live it is very cold now and I am forced to indoor activities. You are right though most of the time I do the same boring things. Its hard to isolate a girl somewhere indoors for me.... The only thing I have in mind is taking a girl to a movie and trying to make out there..... This of course also is very high school.....


The putting the arm around her when she's says cold.... sometimes I think maybe she is just cold but would feel akward if I touched her.... I definitely know Kino is important but I always feel that the girl I try it in may think I'm harassing her...

Thanks for the tips, I will try my best.

 

[wolfie]

Of course, Kino must be escalated. You start off with the playful hitting and hugging, then go to walking arm in arm, then holding hands.
You probably have the mental fear I sometimes have, that the girl will freak out if you kino her at the wrong time. That doesn't happen. All that happens is that she will pull away, and you can just try again at another time. You're probably afraid that she sees you as 'just friendly right now' and if you try to escalate she'll go "WTF are you doing".

If the girl knows your intentions are more than social, she won't freak out if you kino or even try to kiss her, what she will do is pull away or say 'no', which basically means "build more comfort with me and I will let you do that". It doesn't stuff up your chances with her if you kino too early, she'll just bar you and let you try again later. Basically, all it means when you kino/escalate and she shoots you down is - "not yet."
It doesn't mean that you've blown it.

One girl I tried to walk arm in arm with refused, extricating her arm from mine and saying "I don't know you well enough." All I did was try again an hour later and this time she had no problems at all. I tried to hold her hand and she said "No.. you don't need to do that". An hr later we were holding hands. Then when I tried to hug her, she pulled away and said "We're not familiar enough." 2 hrs later we were tonguing down and she was sitting on my lap.

Oh, and as for isolating indoors? Take her to a booth in a bar/cafe or a lounge.. somewhere dark. Always the best spot for makeouts. If you try to get her into a house, she'll assume that you want sex.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Do they not have drink drive laws where you're from??

 

[The Juan and only]

Re: Why are you drinking?

Originally posted by everywomanshero
Just try to kiss both of them. It's simple to me. You run your best game then try to kiss close. This shouldn't make you nervous at all.

Total loser. Any opportunity to boast about your social fearlessness isn't it?

I agree with what you're saying to the extent that I believe it's a good thing to overcome your fears with women. The problem is, you've offered no real advice in the matter and are simple putting people down. Not helpful.

Moving on..

Jayer, real confidence has to be built up over time. Regularly stand in front of the mirror tell yourself how great you are because IT WORKS...basically, just take steps to improve yourself and eventually you won't even think about being nervous on a date.

 

[thefonz]

Originally posted by Jayer

The putting the arm around her when she's says cold.... sometimes I think maybe she is just cold but would feel akward if I touched her.... I definitely know Kino is important but I always feel that the girl I try it in may think I'm harassing her...

Thanks for the tips, I will try my best.

Hey man you're doing fine,

I've often neglected the importance of kino these past few months. I now believe in my heart that ANY excuse to use kino should be applied. It just releases so much weight off both you and the girl's shoulders and it makes it so much easier to relax. It's intimate and reminds you of what you're trying to do. Everyone wants to be touched, everyone. And I feel if she's agreed to go on a date with you you should take every oppurtunity to touch her. Nowadays I'll usually judge a girl's attractiveness in terms of how well she kinos.

So ya, If she says she's cold....hug her godamit, no regrets

 

[Reyaj]

Ok it seems like both of these girls have low interest in me.

Its funny cause I thought everything went fine, but they don't even call me or anything anymore....


What I think it actually is based on my past experiences and talking to other girls is the kiss I give!

I think I am too respectful and I pull away first.... I guess I figured that playing hard to get will drive their interest up. I may try a few more experiments with these girls, but definitely will try more experiments in general.


Stay tuned for future Social Experiment series....