So you've swallowed the red pill.. now what?

[backbreaker]

For the most part I believe the manopshere has very good intentions and to an extent serves a very good purpose. But I do have my peeves with it. The biggest overall being by people defining themselves simply as people who understand the world isn't fair.


Half the posts on this forum are nothing more than a regurgitation of people saying that life isn't fair. women have an advantage over me. wah wah wah.


I think many would agree with me that I have no problem with the red pill in the sense that it is true. the world is not fair. it is feminist. We live in a femcentric society.


What gets me is what do you do once you realize this? What do you do with this newfound information of how the world is? Are you jaded? Do you hate women now? Do you hate society for setting things up the way they are? Do you double down and become a jerk?


I remember when I First got clean i was in rehab/chem free housing. while I was in rehab, I still had a ****load of money from when I sold my first company in the bank, i was just living there to make sure someone was keeping an eye out on me. I was kinda in limbo, i wasn't working, and i had enough money to where i could completely take work off for months to focus on my sobriety. money was no issue. I was smart, I was well read, I didn't even have to try to act smart I'm just smart and it showed. But atht esame time I was overweight because when i used i binge ate. I was out of shape and i got zero female attention.. well besides obvious gold diggers. Even then they acted like they were doing me a favor by letting me take them out and i would, knowing all well what was going on just so i can hav esome type of life / get my mind off staying clean and all that ****, something to do but there was no real attraction.

on the toher ahdn there was this guy named james. we had the same drug of choice, and he was what.. 3 months younger thas i was, and the dude even in his drug addiction, dude was chizzeled. 6 pack, square jaw line, 6'1, about 185 ish, solid. good looking dude no homo. he was pretty funny, and kept women swooning around him at all times. and i admit i was kinda jealous. and i liked the dude. he was a cool cat. but he had something i wanted.. *****.

and we had a talk one day after i had been there a while and as it turns out, he told me that he looked up to me and admired my work ethitc and wish he could be more focued / single minded like me. He was very jealous of my financial situation and my intelligence. **** that he struggled with came very easy to me.

and i don't say any of this to brag, as i stated, he was getting laid and i wasn't. by some pretty nice looking girls too. girls would come up to me trying to befriend me to get to him. the **** pissed me off lol.

i wanted what he had. he wanted what i had.

i say all that to say is that to me, that's the key of swallowing the red pill. it's not so much realizing that the world is a screwed up place. it's realizing that.. it really isn't. it's understanding that there is a method to the chaos.

No one on earth has everything they want. There are things that come easy to me that probably don't come easy to you. there are things that come easy to you that probably don't' come easy to me.

sex, and access to sex, is just one of many issues in which some people have it easier than others. to me that is the key of the red pill. there's no injustice, there is no need to take these moralistic stands on right and wrong

Yes you like me were probably fed a diet of lies about dating, relationships and females growing up but just because the lies were all bull**** doesn't mean that the world in itself and dating / relationships are bull****. as much money as i have, as good as i look, if we were single today and my wife and i had a who can pull more sex contest my wife would slaughter me. it would not even be close. But so what? how does that in itself make it all wrong? as long as you don't worship the ***** that fact on itself changes nothing. why should i be mad that i can't out sex my wife if we were single? why should i give a **** honestly? even if i could have that much sex with that many different women i wouldn't because i have more imortant **** to do which is in essence, why she's so attracted to me.

As far as james, we keep in touch. he's still in arkansas. He has like 6 kids lol. He worked his way up and he is the manager of a buffao wild wings now. when i met him he was homeless basically 8 years ago without a dime or a pot to piss in. now drives a nice suburban with some nice rims on it lol, has a decent house, some pocket change and a nice wife and still pulls trim on the side.

and i eventually got my ass in shape and got the attention i wanted.

the money for him didn't come as easy / as much as it came for me and honestly i had to work my ass off to be able to pull like he pulls but i still pull. this dude is so good looking it's just not fair lol.

so you've learned that you can do some **** better than some people can and that some people can do **** better than you can. now what do you do with that information?

 

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Gay

 

[dasein]

Agree totally about accepting given realities and learning how to work with them in our lives, and of course different people have different advantages.

One reason for the repetition of griping here and other places is that we are still fed the line, every day of our lives from many angles, that we live in a man's world, that women are the victims of men, and that the best way to happiness is for everyone to do what women want, whether or not they even know what that is. Those lies are the messages that have been pounded into us relentlessly for the last 50 years, mess with our dating lives, but also with every aspect of our lives generally, and if the backlash gets repetitive, GOOD, it's been a long time coming.

My form of repetition is in response to the very real legal and cultural discrimination that is worsening as opposed to getting better. No one who works in my field and wasn't totally indoctrinated previously or benefitting from the injustice can ignore the truth of what is going on in the legal and working worlds. Men's lives are being ruined by the millions, it's like an abbatoir and has been for decades now. The lies cited above are the source of the "legitimacy" of that discrimination, and if people are put off by hearing them decried over and over, that's fine too as long as one person wakes up every now and then. Repetitive posts on the internet are actually one of the most benign and lazy ways of encouraging change.

 

[zekko]

girls would come up to me trying to befriend me to get to him. the **** pissed me off lol.

That would piss me off.

if we were single today and my wife and i had a who can pull more sex contest my wife would slaughter me

Supposedly women value other things than how much sex they can get. Like what is the best man they can get. The fact that there are so many sleazy young women putting notches on their bed these days instead of trying to land a good father for their child is one of the things that is messing up the male/female gender roles. But these girls are worthless, IMO.

even if i could have that much sex with that many different women i wouldn't because i have more imortant **** to do which is in essence, why she's so attracted to me.

Many women will appreciate the fact that you have more important things on your mind than how much sex you can get with how many. A large part of the manosphere seems to suggest that women really want guys who are wallowing around in all the sex they can get, in the clubs and bars scene. And I'm sure that is probably the case for certain types of girls. But I think the higher quality ones will appreciate that you have more going for you, and other things on your mind.

One reason for the repetition of griping here and other places is that we are still fed the line, every day of our lives from many angles, that we live in a man's world, that women are the victims of men, and that the best way to happiness is for everyone to do what women want, whether or not they even know what that is.

Sounds like neither side is really happy - both sides think they're getting screwed.

 

[BeDJ]

I got halfway into reading the post, and wondered if I should keep reading. My eyes got so frustrated with the combination of words and grammar on the screen. However, I knew if I stopped reading, the effort it took to read the first half was for nothing. I kept going, god damn. I gotta hand it to you, backbreaker, you are good at this sh!t.

 

[dasein]

Sounds like neither side is really happy - both sides think they're getting screwed.

There's no baby-splitting possible here. Men are getting screwed, and women unjustly benefit in today's enlightened "equal" culture. Could list out 20 or so ways with rationally based $$ amounts in support, but that wouldn't be topical in this thread. Just wanted to offer a possible explanation for why the repetition of complaints here and elsewhere, as that was one of OP's topics. A dog that is beaten long enough, when it has finally had enough, is not going to stop biting and growling just because the hand stops beating, and in our culture, the hand is still beating.

 

[zekko]

There's no baby-splitting possible here. Men are getting screwed, and women unjustly benefit in today's enlightened "equal" culture.

Oh, I agree entirely. Nevertheless, women have been raised to believe they are being screwed, and they grow up that way. You could hand them every entitlement and advantage under the sun, and they would still complain about being under man's yoke.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I think many would agree with me that I have no problem with the red pill in the sense that it is true. the world is not fair.

This has been true since the first single celled organism crawled out of the sludge. Life has ALWAYS been about competition, and it has NEVER been fair. You don't need red pill / blue pill metaphors to understand this.

it is feminist. We live in a femcentric society.

I disagree. We live in a state controlled society. The State controls people by buying their allegiance with state created jobs (teachers, social workers, and other "feminist" jobs) and providing huge safety nets that used to be provided by stable families, and also benefit "women and children" more than men.

But the PURPOSE of this is NOT to elevate the female over the male. It's to elevate the STATE over the citizens.

That fact that women benefit dis-proportionally than men is incidental.

In a sense, the STATE (made up by males) has been covertly stealing INDIVIDUAL male authority for decades.

But this is NOT to elevate the female. It is to elevate the STATE.

We STILL live in a MALE DOMINATED society. Only the males that dominate society are in a very small minority. And in order to achieve their elitist positions, they have made themselves the COLLECTIVE husband of the female half of society.

It's not about feminism. That is, for ugly women, a lucky side effect.

Women, and feminists are NOT your enemy.

The state IS.

Destroy the STATE and the destruction of feminism is eminent.

 

[Jitterbug]

I swallowed the red pill, and now I realise I'm too alpha for my own good.

 

[dasein]

Oh, I agree entirely. Nevertheless, women have been raised to believe they are being screwed, and they grow up that way. You could hand them every entitlement and advantage under the sun, and they would still complain about being under man's yoke.

Ah, sorry, misunderstood the earlier reply. Yes, agreed, and this is just another reason that repetition is necessary.

Also agree with taiyuu, it IS the state behind it all, feminism is simply a socialist bloc control and one victimization plank in the govmedia programming. However, there will be no dismantling of the bureaucratic state in any wholesale way any time soon, have to attack state excess plank by plank, and feminism is the weakest important plank in the statist plan atm. Attacking feminism also happens to dovetail with general cultural response men need to make to break themselves of illegitimate programming and achieve life mastery.

And yes, there is a point when it's time to spend little time decrying and making one's own plan to move forward and past. That doesn't obviate the need to speak out generally and repetitively though.

 

[zekko]

This has been true since the first single celled organism crawled out of the sludge. Life has ALWAYS been about competition, and it has NEVER been fair. You don't need red pill / blue pill metaphors to understand this.

You've just nailed exactly why I have never been fond of the red pill analogy. Life isn't fair? Women aren't Disney princesses? This is your great grand revelation that supposedly turns you into Neo, able to see the matrix? That's it? Talk about overblown.

Sorry, but you should have figured out that life isn't fair by grade school, at least. The bit about women might take a little longer, but not much. An experience or two with them at most.

The fact that there are guys who apparently don't actually figure this out is the amazing part.

Nice post, by the way, taiyuu.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I agree with this, however one still must destroy feminism to stop the corruption process from starting over.


It is no coincidence that the birth of the social welfare nation and the fiat debt system coincided with women's suffrage.

I agree. I still blame feminism as a corrupting belief system most of all. It has corrupted both male and female thinking and behavior, even corrupted churches, the media, education/business/commerce and even beyond what the state requires.

The Nazi's were socialist and Soviets were even communist both with pretty much full control of the populace, but far from feminist. Government is government, good, bad or ugly, and feminism is a corrupting belief system of just about anything and everything.


People think the government is controlled mostly by men and in the very top positions that's mostly true. But the government is probably administered by more women than men. Women are pretty much taking over everything. And even if a man is in charge does it even count as a man if he is a feminist, Bill Clinton for one example?

 

[zekko]

The red-pill is realizing that women respond to everything you were told was awful and that you should not be.

Maybe this is because I'm one of the older men posting here. But if you're taking about the "women are attracted to sensitive, feminist men who are in touch with thier feelings" type of thing, I didn't believe that the first time they started pushing that back in the early 70s. Alan Alda and Phil Donahue were held up as early examples. When I was growing up in the 60s, masculinity wasn't dead yet. It may have been packing to leave and on the way out the door, but it wasn't gone yet.

What is the deal, Danger? You've been here on the Mature Man forum longer than I have and yet you have never been asked to put your age on your profile. You got some dirt on the moderators or something?

 

[backbreaker]

danger is 42 years old.

 

[zekko]

danger is 42 years old.

Fair enough, BB, although that wasn't my question.

The red-pill is realizing that YOU are the one disadvantaged even while you have been told your whole life that YOU somehow are the oppressor.

Sounds more like a men's rights/manosphere thing.

The red-pill is realizing that only by being selfish will you be able to get what you want out of life.

I don't know if that is strictly true. Certainly you can't expect to have things handed to you just because you're a good person. If you want something, you have to go out and get it. This may necessitate putting yourself first sometimes, but I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm not the best person to ask though. I'm an introvert, so I tend more to the selfish/sef involved side anyway.

 

[BeDJ]

Fair enough, BB, although that wasn't my question.


Sounds more like a men's rights/manosphere thing.


I don't know if that is strictly true. Certainly you can't expect to have things handed to you just because you're a good person. If you want something, you have to go out and get it. This may necessitate putting yourself first sometimes, but I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm not the best person to ask though. I'm an introvert, so I tend more to the selfish/sef involved side anyway.

Quoting Danger - The red-pill is realizing that only by being selfish will you be able to get what you want out of life.

The only way to live is truly looking after your own self interest. You need to cut out all the people that do not benefit your fife. Isn't that the selfish route? Selfishness is what out society deems as a negative trait. You can not be a good man if you willingly outcast these people from your life. The very people that you dismiss are the very same that will contribute to your failures. I have had good friends (VERY VERY FEW and far in between) an those that I am acquainted with. Trust me, my top friends will turn on me if I would ever talk badly on their goals in life. I was only trying to help, but yeah, he was dating an overweight unattractive woman from POF. Living for yourself is the only winning strategy.

 

[backbreaker]

Begin Rant

If the world were a game of cards, then humanity is going open mezaire – before our very eyes the whole system is going out the back door fast.

Red & blue pills are one thing & sookin’ about gender imbalance is fair enough but it pales into insignificance when one considers the wider context - the plight of every living thing & the planet itself is going down the tubes very f**king fast - and the fault lies fairly at the feet of humans – unbridled greed & subjugation, butchering every living thing and each other since time immemorial - "man has dominated man to his injury".

It’s a feakin’ pig trough out there and there is no end in sight to this game of open mezaire.
Glass half full anyone? Or maybe its time to take the black pill lol …
​

End Rant

Interesting. I gave my wife a black pill last night :drumshot: #dontquityourdayjob

 

[Zunder]

I don't have a "red" pill or a "blue" pill.
I alone decide how I will live my life -- within the obvious constraints that living in a state controlled society demands, as I do not wish to be incarcerated -- I alone decide whom I will be nice to or not nice too, I alone made / make the decisions in my life and I wear the consequences good, bad, or indifferent. While I do have an extremely low opinion of the modern western woman, I alone make the decision if I want interact with these women.
In the end their is no pill. There is just you.
Now, what are you gonna do ...........

 

[zekko]

So perhaps you can empathize here and consider what the young minds are being molded to believe.

You're right, I can see where younger guys have been raised in a different environment that I was. Another thing, if someone had come to me with a lot of this information when I was say, around 17, I imagine it might have had more of a mindblowing effect on me.

Truth to tell, I've always been somewhat envious of the ability of some of the younger fellows to experience such an epiphany by coming here. As it is, my reaction has been mostly "That's it?". There are very few things I've found in seduction theory that I haven't heard before in one form or other, or learned in the school of hard knocks.

But I stick around because I find the subject matter interesting, and I also find it motivating. Plus some of the posters are pretty cool, and it's also interesting to see differing points of view, even if I don't agree with them.

PS: In regards to my age. There is a setting where you can enter your age, but hide it from your posts. Meaning the mods can still see it, but it isn't public.

Ah, I see. Not trying to be a netcop by any means, it's just something I've always been curious about.

I don't have a "red" pill or a "blue" pill.
I alone decide how I will live my life -- within the obvious constraints that living in a state controlled society demands, as I do not wish to be incarcerated -- I alone decide whom I will be nice to or not nice too, I alone made / make the decisions in my life and I wear the consequences good, bad, or indifferent. While I do have an extremely low opinion of the modern western woman, I alone make the decision if I want interact with these women.
In the end their is no pill. There is just you.
Now, what are you gonna do ...........

This is similar to my attitude. There is no pill, it's just life.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I don't have a "red" pill or a "blue" pill.
I alone decide how I will live my life -- within the obvious constraints that living in a state controlled society demands, as I do not wish to be incarcerated -- I alone decide whom I will be nice to or not nice too, I alone made / make the decisions in my life and I wear the consequences good, bad, or indifferent. While I do have an extremely low opinion of the modern western woman, I alone make the decision if I want interact with these women.
In the end their is no pill. There is just you.
Now, what are you gonna do ...........

I agree. The "red pill / blue pill" is really a metaphor for "the way things really are and the way we think things are."

Since there's WAY to many variables for humans to even understand the way things "are," the above, "pill" metaphor really means:

"The way I see things, (and those who agree with me), and everybody else who disagrees with me/us".

So even by buying into this metaphor, you've put on blinders.

If you INSIST on categorizing "reality," it might be better to consider "the way I USED to see things," and "my CURRENT understandings based on my experience."

This, of course, will ALWAYS be a fluid distinction.

Trust me, as much as guys on this forum THINK that we've discovered some secret TRUTH about reality, there are TONS of other forums (feminists, communists, mystics, wiccans, etc) who feel the same way.

Their way is the "red pill" and everybody else is the "blue pill."

It all boils down to what YOU want to get out of life, and to what extent your "perception" is helping you or impeding you.

"The Map," as they say in NLP, "Is NOT the territory."