So, what are WE going to do about the Matrix and Feminism that is killing MEN?

[Rollo Tomassi]

After taking more than my fair share of Women's Studies classes and having debates with both feminists and women with feminist mindsets (i.e. women who are afraid of being associated with feminist, but still adhere to the principles) a few things became obvious to me. Most guys get tripped up in this power struggle between genders without really considering the many holes in feminists arguments.

You want to challenge a feminist on her ideology? Real easy; the first step is to ask her whether she believes gender roles are learned or innate? The reason I say this is because this is the major rift within feminism. 90% of feminists will say it's a learned set of behaviors, but there's a LOT of damning evidence that gender has a biological foundation. If they say it's learned (as most will because it's the evil men who teach women to be so), this then discredits the biological basis for gender assignment and conflicts with the idea that homosexuality is caused by genetics.

The other argument that stops all conversation is the notion of egalitarian equality amongst the genders. Feminists love to fly the equality flag, but this is really a power grab. Modern feminism is more about retribution for percieved wrongs than equality. And the easiest illustration of this is the military draft. Mandatory coscription is essentially state instituted sexism. Not registering for selective services disqualifies only males from college grants, acedemic scholarships, government employment and even driver's licenses (in some states). Until feminists march on Washington demanding that not another man die until the same number of women involuntarily die while in conscription as men have in the history of the draft, they have nothing to complain about and any notion of equality flies out the window.

 

[Jeffst1980]

I think the problem is that "feminist" is a blanket term that covers both radical ideology as well rational thought.

Clearly, there are biological differences between the sexes. Gender roles are not learned, for the very reasons Rollo mentioned. There are important physical differences that account for the reasons that the average woman would not be suitable for selective service.

However, that being said, I wouldn't discount the notion of equality of WORTH for women. Can we all agree that a competent women should be paid as much as a man in the workplace? Even if the laws regarding such have gotten out of hand, can we all agree that a woman should not have to deal with sexual harassment in the workplace? I don't think any of these practical applications of feminism are that bad.

It seems a lot of guys here think that a feminist is an HB goldigging attention hor that demands to be put on a pedestal and have AFC's buy them stuff. This is the antithesis of feminism--it's courtship. Alternatively, some women call themselves "feminists," yet in reality they are just silly little girls that are bitter over men.

I've dated a few feminists and they were MUCH different than I expected: They understood sex differences as biological but didn't believe that because of this they were predisposed to live a life as a housewife. Although they had ambitions for a career, they also acknowledged that they saw nothing wrong with becoming a stay at home mom in their 30's. They didn't play any games and didn't even really sh!t test me. In fact, the only "negative" I can think of is that they were very open about their feelings at all times, which could get a bit obnoxious for those that don't like to communicate. I talked to one of them at length about masculinity, and she actually agreed that what we talk about here is extremely attractive to women. BTW--to some of the posters on this thread: Just because a man dresses metrosexual or is a prettyboy does NOT make him a feminized male--it has MUCH more to do with his mindset and how he conducts himself.

Really, it comes down to fact that women SHOULD be able to choose to live their lives any way they desire without social pressure to conform, just like men should. It is in no way unnatural to have a female boss, senator, or even president, so long as they have the qualifications and temperament. In a relationship, it's another story, but most feminists don't actually wish to dominate a relationship. The majority of feminists will unconsciously revert to the submissive role so long as you have their respect--further proof that they are no threat to us as long as we continue to be MEN.

 

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