"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I met my current F-buddy online and so far it's been one of the most enjoyable, hassle free, casual experiences I've ever had. I've no intention of pushing for anything more serious, and remarkably, neither does she. I'm not at any risk of developing oneitis, but I'm deliberately going out of my way to keep meeting new girls.

She doesn't own me, I don't own her and I'm pretty cool with her dating other guys so long as I get one night of incredibly filthy sex each week. In any case I've kept a casual eye on her profile which is still active, we actually tend to compare notes when we "catch up".

So she's added a couple of lines to her profile...who wants to guess? Words to the effect of "do not contact me if you want to talk dirty or only want casual fun". Funny considering this girl basically hooked up with me because I was able to make her wet during IM chat. Loves it kinky, loves it rough.

So it appears I'm the guy who actually gets to plough her while she screens other guys for a potential LTR. It's a good sign, I want to be THAT guy.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Wilko said:
So it appears I'm the guy who actually gets to plough her while she screens other guys for a potential LTR. It's a good sign, I want to be THAT guy.
I'm going to quote a story I wrote:

King once told his readers to ask themselves a simple question. “Have you ever fantasized about someone else while you were in a committed relationship?” The answer was invariably “yes.” The secret is that women do it too. “It happens all the time, we’re human”, King would explain - and it isn’t a man’s prerogative to judge a woman, or anyone else for that matter, for being human. “The point is to accept it, understand it, and do what’s necessary to keep your mind and your pride from putting your d*ck where it doesn’t belong.” Action and inaction are the solutions, because the mind cannot be physically constrained.

Sh*t, King thinks to himself.

Now all he can think about is Vince’s response. “The best you can do with a girl,” according to Vincent de l’Eau, “is leave an impression.”

To be the other guy she’s thinking about when she’s with other guys.
You are in a good position. Keep doing the right things, and avoid the wrong things, whatever that might mean to you.

Realize that luck works equally against us all, so don't get too attached. Live in the moment and have fun with it.

Not even sure you needed advice, but there you go.
 

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Wilko said:
So she's added a couple of lines to her profile...who wants to guess? Words to the effect of "do not contact me if you want to talk dirty or only want casual fun". Funny considering this girl basically hooked up with me because I was able to make her wet during IM chat. Loves it kinky, loves it rough.

So it appears I'm the guy who actually gets to plough her while she screens other guys for a potential LTR. It's a good sign, I want to be THAT guy.

If you really believe that your the ONLY one she's willing to have that kind of arrangement with, then your a bit naive.

This is nothing more than DJ 101, and I don't know how often I have said this over the past few months:

"For her true intentions, watch what she does, not what she says."


With that said, this woman definitely digs you and obviously enjoys the weekly smash session, but just keep an even keel and realize she IS willing to set up that arrangement with another guy if he fits the bill.





PIMP
 

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It's pretty typical of online chics. like if their title says "I hate drama" or something like that, you can bet the farm her life is filled with it, and she loves DRAMA.
your chic's quote is just a variation of that.
I also think its safe to say she's also have casual sex with other guys as well, not only you.
 

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I know for a fact that she's dating other guys but I don't think she's sleeping with anyone else right now, I don't think anyone else has met the bar. Even if she is, I'm unphased provided she continues to blow....my mind (ahem).

So we were comparing notes again today and she's LJBF'd a few guys some of whom still talk to her, one was actually asking for advice on how to win over a different girl. Her advice to this guy, and I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this, was to do what this other guy (yours truly) had done; be confident, be firm, and be specific when asking the girl out.

I would have high fived each and everyone of you guys if you'd been there.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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So it appears I'm the guy who actually gets to plough her while she screens other guys for a potential LTR. It's a good sign, I want to be THAT guy
.

Well, that screening process sure didn't last too long!

Her: Heya, sorry I have to cancel this weekend. Something I need to talk to you about.

Me: Hmm, what's that, how about a clue?

Her: Iv met someone n I'm really keen on him. ill like to concentrate on the new guy cos I feel we can have a future together. Can we still b friends.

Me: I am freaking psychic I swear. Just be careful about putting all your eggs in one basket. Msg me when you feel like a nice 'fun' saturday.

Her: Psychic? Lol, how so

Me: Well, I figured it was either a new guy or your period was 'late'. Relieved it was the first one, lol.

Her: We can still go out for dinner etc if u want but no hanky panky.

Me: Haha, I'm thinking more like hanky panky...no dinner. Enjoy your weekend.

You can feel free to disagree but I like the way I kept control of my frame, that was four or five days ago, no contact, no problem. The only thing I'm slightly miffed about is the fact that although she was pretty kinky to begin with I had just trained her up to porn star standards of debauchery and now Mr LTR is going to reap the benefits of all my hard work! She's not getting the toys we bought though, if she wants to use them....you get the idea:)

I think she'll probably hit me up if she gets bored with this new guy or if the promised LTR proves to be smoke and mirrors. Then again, maybe they're both totally sincere about the whole thing, or maybe I just got outplayed by a guy with stronger game.

Either way, it was f@#king good fun while it lasted and no-one got burnt.
 
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Haha, I was laughing my ass of at this thread. I hope you understand and know that you are one of maybe six or seven she was fuvking. She has multiple guys. Congrats on the pending herpes! Use protection bro, you are definately not the only one "plouhing" her. Never was, never were, never will be. I say this to all the guys on this forum. SEX MEANS NOTHING to a woman. It is the emotional connection that keeps her fuvking you. She could fuvk you for weeks, but if you don't mind fuvk her, she is gone. But don't worry, this was not someone new, he was always there, sharing that puvsy with you. You got played for sex. This is really funny. I'm sure you don't mind that, but you did catch feelings for her. That is why you started this thread. And like most guys on this forum, you are asking (discreetly) why? Well, because of all that I mentioned before. You weren't the only one. Maybe you sucked in bed (I doubt it, cause chicks don't care about that if they are emotionally attached) it's just that you didn't mind fuvk her. Someone else is doing that.
 

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I used protection, the bit about the late period was just shtick for the text.

Falcon, it doesn't bother me if she was fuvking other guys I'm not hung up about monogamy. She was a helluva fuvk buddy, ideally I'd like to keep fuvking her. You're right about one thing, I do want the kind of game where a girl will forgo or jeopardise a promising relationship just to keep fuvking me! The kind of game where a girl will deal with me fuvking other girls just so she can keep getting her piece of the action. Basically, I want to be addictive.

This is a litmus test for me, if she wants to fuvk again in a week whatever her other circumstances are, then I've achieved something I haven't done before.

Now if you could help me with that we'd be getting somewhere. Got any experience with girls coming back for more and more in spite of themselves? I'm not winding you up Falcon, that's where I want to be.
 

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Wilko said:
I used protection, the bit about the late period was just shtick for the text.

Falcon, it doesn't bother me if she was fuvking other guys I'm not hung up about monogamy. She was a helluva fuvk buddy, ideally I'd like to keep fuvking her. You're right about one thing, I do want the kind of game where a girl will forgo or jeopardise a promising relationship just to keep fuvking me! The kind of game where a girl will deal with me fuvking other girls just so she can keep getting her piece of the action. Basically, I want to be addictive.

This is a litmus test for me, if she wants to fuvk again in a week whatever her other circumstances are, then I've achieved something I haven't done before.

Now if you could help me with that we'd be getting somewhere. Got any experience with girls coming back for more and more in spite of themselves? I'm not winding you up Falcon, that's where I want to be.

Wilko,

I do have experience with girls coming back for more and more in spite of themselves, but you have to understand that I have emotionally attached them to me. There is only so much you can do. If she is interested, has spent time on you, has no other "love" in her life, she will always come back (as long as you give it to her good, and without attachments). You have to act like (if this is whay you want) that you just want sex but also are a nice guy who cares about her, but not at the results of whether she is your girlfriend or not, then you have to not contact all the time, lay back, and let her come to you. She has to have a great time during, and after, your encounter. She has to smile when after you hook up. With no pressure. One day, she will either say "Wilko, I need more than this, I want a boyfriend, you are not it.". Or she will say *(This would be ideal) "Wilko, I want something more for both of us, I want to be exclusive with you." BUT THIS TAKES TIME. So just kick back and contact once every two weeks or so, you can't do anything but act like you have others. Mine keeps coming back every other two weeks, and I think she has someone else. SHe may even have a boyfriend, I don't know, I don't care. We're not exclusive. But the sad thing about these types of relationships is that she could be gone at any time. Because I haven't TRULY EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED HER. I have done just enough for her to want to be with me for the time being. Meaning, she is not my girlfriend. She hasn't fallen in love with me yet. They fall in love with time, not sex. One day, she will either walk away from me, or she will want more. Because the relationship started under different circumstances. Sex is the pinnacle of the relationship. If done early, she has easier time of walking away. PM me if you want to talk more about this.

Basically, if you want to keep her on side. 1) give it to her good 2) no talk of future or present circumstances 3) act like you care and she's not just a piece of ass 4) don't talk about a relationship w her NEVER ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS. YOU ARE A SEX MACHINE 5) always be positive and make her smile 6) do not contact all the time, max 2 times a month. Let her contact and you respond 7) it could be gone anytime, for something you didn't do. Because you have no control over this relationship. You are NOT her Boyfriend. That is the risk of relationships based on just sex. She will be gone and you will be like WTF? But it's mostly never your fault. 8) I would recommend your own girlfriend that you can control and make fall in love with you. Have her wait for the sex. If you make her wait, she will be in love and would be trippin over you all the time. These types of relationships are no good, just fun for a little bit. And I will add, this type of woman is no good either.
 

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terran2k said:
It's pretty typical of online chics. like if their title says "I hate drama" or something like that, you can bet the farm her life is filled with it, and she loves DRAMA.
your chic's quote is just a variation of that.
Or the classic "are there any nice guys out there" or "looking for a nice guy." You can bet the farm this is the type of girl that only dates jerks and even though she's been hurt in the past will continue to date them because she can't stop.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Solid Falcon, solid. I don't want to keep bumping the thread, so I'm going to acknowledge a few points and wrap it up.

One day, she will either say "Wilko, I need more than this, I want a boyfriend, you are not it."
This.

Basically, if you want to keep her on side. 1) give it to her good 2) no talk of future or present circumstances 3) act like you care and she's not just a piece of ass 4) don't talk about a relationship w her NEVER ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS. YOU ARE A SEX MACHINE 5) always be positive and make her smile.
On track with everything bar number three, i.e.

Haha, I'm thinking more like hanky panky...no dinner. Enjoy your weekend.
I'm sure she feels super special, nothing I can't shine over.

6) do not contact all the time, max 2 times a month. Let her contact and you respond 7) it could be gone anytime, for something you didn't do.
Looks like I'll have to arrange a time to swap some personal effects, her toys for my helmet, guaranteed to be entertaining. Anyway, strictly backburner stuff.
 

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Lemme just say that I've fvcked numerous girls who've fvcked numerous guys and I've yet to get herpes. My Doc said that herpes is treatable and really is no big deal. He started reminiscing about the 60s and how his generation didn't have to wear a condom, just rubbing it in my face. He asked me if I had a "steady." I said, "steady?...No. I have 7 or 8?.." He looked at me like I was a no good scum-bag, but fvck man, that's how I operate. It ain't the same these days, Doc. A "steady" will get you blue balls almost every time, plus a whole lot of headaches.
 
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