"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So these 2 articles got to me....

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Here
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_single_young_men.html

and here
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_4_darwinist_dating.html

The second one more than the first one. It basically sums up why I feel so much is stacked against me alone,and I have yet to overcome alot of it. The whole thing about jerks and stuff,nice guys etc. I feel my problem is different from that. I mean,I think it could be a maturity thing,or wanting too much at once even. I mean,where all the girls for me when I was growing up? Why was I left out? Is it the superficiality of things? the materialism? Or am I just not in control of myself enough? Or,was I too obnoxious? Too much of an ******* in the bad way,more to where I pissed people off,and not the one who girls liked? Or maybe I saw myself as a victim? I don't see myself as a good guy either,I have done some bad things before. I won't get into it now,but it's there. I mean,I was never the "nice guy" who got used,more like the guy who got ignored.I have more to say.

I am worried it may be also a lack of sexual energy and/or confidence as well. Plus,a little too sensitive in today's "dating game" as well.

Plus,things like this, http://www.darwindating.com/about/ , piss me off.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I agree,and I am not saying otherwise. I guess I am trying to say I feel I am not even at a level where I am attractive to women. I mean,like I said,superficiality of today's world.
 

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Crusader, what if your ancestors had said, "the odds are stacked against me, guess I'll just lay down and die"? You wouldn't even be here bro, some little yet to be conceived crusader's life is in your hands man! Are you going to let your unborn son or daughter just never exist because you couldn't be bothered to attempt courting a woman?
 

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I read the first one, okay

In the middle of reading the second one... my fist and arm starting lifting up from the table all by themselves,

and I said to myself "before I do anything stupid, let me close this window" and I did. So only read the first half. EVERYTHING about this piece of junk made my blood boil.
 
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Well,yeah,I wouldn't be here. And what you talked about is what has me worried the most. I am lacking these skills. Or,I am lacking something I feel. I don't know how to court women as you said. But they all seem like *****es to me anyways. All superficial,controlling,manipulative *****s who don't know they're place. Something I don't have control over. I mean, I feel so behind in this,it's not even funny. I am trying to set up a therapy session.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Crusader dude Ive felt that way at times too. Ive really felt like they were all just a bunch of bigmouthed *****es. But the truth is so much more complex than that. I've got a couple right now wanting to have my babies, one keeps my favorite drink stocked just for when I come over. A couple of them right now practically beg me to tell them what I want sexually and will do damn near anything to keep me pleased. IOWs they treat my ass like a king. If only it were so simple as women were just *****es or queens and we could just be certain of it for sure with each new person we met. Awww life is messy though, and unfortunately we do have something to do with the reactions we get at times. That's why when we're feeling on top of the world people seem so much more friendly than when we're down in the dumps. Emotions are contagous.

Good idea to see about consouling because of what I just said, when you feel better than people will feel better about being around you and then you'll see people aren't so bad and feel better which results in more positive responses and so on that you end up in a positive feedback loop instead of a negative one. You strike me as a pretty cool person, if you can drop your defenses on here and trust then you can do it in the non-cyber world too, I honestly believe once you get yourself together you're going to have some wonderful ladies in your life.
 
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I honestly don't know why I post on here. Just to vent I guess. I have some severe feelings of either inadaquecy and/or inferiority,esp when it comes to women/sex/dating. I feel so behind and inexperienced. Yet I see everyone else,esp on shows like the pickup artist,overcoming that and changing.

Or,why don't I have someone saying they love me? Saying they want to have kids with me? Why didn't I have girls coming after me? Is there something in my personality? I have integrated some of the stuff found on here,such as don't give in,kiss her ass,buy her stuff,etc. But yet,I am still in this constant cycle. I guess it really is all on the inside,and money,status,lookes etc don't matter. I always realized that,but it seems/(ed) everything else was stacked against me due to my own inner state of things. Maybe I am too defensive,perhaps it is due to an incident that happened to me just over a year ago. I also have this sense of lost time that I am struggling to catch up with. I mean,I really have some serious de-programming to do. I can't even go up to people,outside of say work,and get to know them or make freinds really. Something is seriously holding me back. I mean,I am always in this constant mindset,and it's become obsessive. I mean,it's even just the little things I have trouble doing. I mean,it's like I am looking for this change,but it is not there.
 
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