So is the general consensus....

[CapedCrusader08]

That wanting to get married,start a family,finding the love of you're life,being romantic,etc,is what makes one a chump/afc? It seems to me that,and I am not telling anyone what to do,so don't take it as that,that at one point in time,before the turbulent 60's/70's,that the rules were set,and one was expected to be a man,and one was not judged on many women he slept with,rather than how many children he had. And you got married and lived happily ever after,sometimes.It seems the resistance to marriage/family comes from other societal changes involving women. Am I right in this statement? One thing I find a bit frustrating about the advice,although alot of it good,is the contradictions. Such as being mature etc,but having that child like way about you. Some of this is found from pook yes,but seems to be repeated throughout the site. I also recomend a book I am reading,guyland: the periolous world were boys become men.

I also have a story to share. There is this girl I work with,I would she is an 8,and everything is fine until she opens her mout,haha. She was talking about her ex,and how when she gets a man,she digs her claws into him. Apparently,this guy got her name tattooed on her arm. To say I was shocked to hear that is putting in lightly. He's an older guy too,28,she's 21. And of course,it was his fault they broke up. As soon as she said all that,I thought this is one crazy *****. Had I not read through alot of the stuff posted on here,I probably would not have said that to myself.

I also have realized several mistakes,but still keep making them. What is that? I mean,I feel like I have no chance before I even go in. Arrgghh. This is killing me.

 

[KontrollerX]

Thats not at all the consensus.

All we promote here is that the standard marriage and family or having a steady girlfriend way of life isn't the be all end all.

In other words what society says you are supposed to do isn't necessarily what you should do.

You have to do what is right for you after you really think about what you want.

You can simply choose to live your life without ever having a girlfriend or ever getting married and thats an equally valid way to live one's life and far more beneficial to a man in most cases as you just focus on hooking up with chicks and having fvck buddies. If you have to lie to a woman to get her into bed so be it but if you can just get her so turned on to the idea of being a fvck buddy she's down for that do that too. You can live your life with a focus of just bed em spread em and forget em.

You don't have to fall in love with or marry any of them or make a single one of them your girlfriend cutting you off from all the other hot women out there passing up your opportunities and wasting your youth on one chick in so doing.

Marriage and the girlfriend thing is ok too but only if its what you really want and only if you go into either scenario not expecting it to make your life complete.

A lot of guy's go into either scenario with that mindset that the relationship or marriage and family will make them a whole and complete person but it never really does. If anyone becomes a whole and complete person and is fulfilled in life its because they've brought about that fulfillment themselves through personal growth and possibly physical growth as well from dieting and exercising or bodybuilding to be the best they can be.

A girlfriend or wife is merely the cherry ontop of an already great life cake to use a silly baking analogy.

They are not the whole cake lmao.

Which means if your wife or girlfriend leaves you, you will have a life that you've built for yourself of friends, family, work, hobbies and community to fall back on without her.

 

[Warrior74]

society has changed. men and women have changed...unfortunately..some men have some catching up to do. I know plenty of men who are married with families and who are in no way AFC. I personally want a wife and children one day and in the not to distant future. I think the point of places like this is for self reflection and self growth...to figure out what is prevent us as men from achieving the things we want. Some guys, especially younger want to bang all the tail they can get. Some want a girlfriend, some are looking for a wife and marriage. But alot of us are here because we have made wrong choices and don't understand why we are not getting the results we want. You have to have space and time to learn what's wrong, how to fix it, fix it and then move forward in your life. I think while you are doing that marriage should not be on the table. Dating a lot of women will give you perspective as well as the tools to prepare yourself for marriage if you are so inclined. But marriage isn't the only option like kontroller said. It's just the most common.