"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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So if she doesn't call, what do you do?

FM 3321

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The title sounds more desperate than it really is but I'm just trying to learn something here.

So, I started doing something I haven't been doing, meeting girls and getting phone numbers. For the past two times I went out I've made it a goal to get phone numbers from girl I find interesting and it's really been helping me get over my ex.

So last week I got this girls number, she was ugly but she was really into me and gave me her number. After seeing her at a club we went to IHOP and flirted alot and I did wanted sex that night and when I asked her what she was doing this weekend, and she said, "I'm gonna be out of town", so I said "call me", when I really hoped she wouldn't.....well guess what, she didn't call, so that's cool.

Jump a week ahead to last Friday I got two numbers from girls that were really freaky with me at the club but I didn't really care to call them. Saturday night was a different story. I met one girl who was a very cute HB8.5 asian and she was all flirty and bought me a beer. Great, I called her late the next day and she wants to hang out again. She was very enthusiastic to hear from me.

Next girl I met was at an after party who was a nice brunette HB9 and we talked a little bit and she gave me her number. I did the same thing as the first girl and called her late the next day and we talked for about 5 minutes and she said she had to study. I let her go and she told me "I'll call you tomorrow". Well to be honest I didn't expect her to call and she didn't call today so I was just wondering what's the ettiquite for dealing with girls not calling.

I'm just trying to increase my skills in meeting new girls so I'm not heartbroken on her not calling me. It's just that I don't want it to end up like it did with the ugly girl who never called me when I told her to call me.

The other thing is that these people live 1.5 hours away because I went to visit a friend and then we went out partying but I know I need to meet girls locally. So I'm not sure when I'll be back in that city but I would like to hang out with that girl if I'm back in that town to meet my friends. It's more like I don't want to let the line go slack on this one and keep tabs on her from time to time if that's possible.

So to be honest I'm "new" at this whole thing but I love it. Kinda makes me happy that my last relationship ended because it's motivating me to meet new girls. If you need clarification about this let me know but I know that girls aren't socially conditioned to call guys so how do you deal with this?

Summary:
**I told the ugly girl from last week to give me a call, I "blew" her off by telling her to call me sometime. She doesn't call which is good.

**Got two numbers of girls I didn't want to call when thinking about it later at a club.

**So the cute HB8.5 asian told me to call her sometime, ball is in my court.

**The brunette HB9 said that she would call me today, she didn't call, ball is in her court.
 

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Just keep doing what you are doing now.

Assume they won't call. But in the meantime, go out and find more women. Some you will never hear from again... some you will (like the hot asian).

It's a numbers game, the more the better your chances of scoring! Forget Social Conditioning... recondition them the way you want them to be. If they really want to meet you again, let them know that they can, but they have to put in some effort and pick up the phone. There are women out there who will and they are often the ones who are either more fun or really want to be with you, both of which are good.
 

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Cool, so if I feel like it I'll give a call in a couple days. Actually I'll probably just call them if I'm in their town again. We'll just see what happens.

Hell, I did the same thing. I told someone I'd call them yesterday but I was too tired/busy to call them. Oh well.

Funniest thing was when I got the brunette HB9's number I said "Ok, I'm gonna call you 10 times a day now".....she laughed and replied "that's closer to the truth than you think."...I think I said something like "Ok, I'll make it 11."
 

So pimp its scary

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If she doesn't call then you scream out 'NEEEEXXXT!' on the top of your lungs, and you grab the nearest hottie and try again.
 

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Don't wait too long to call

That's so 1990s.

Strike before the iron cools down too much. 2 days wait has worked best for me, 3 days tops.

With a few exceptions, forget about the ones that don't call back. Interested ones always do if they can.

Some exceptions are if they live with family or housemates, in which case they might lose messages. Cell phone gals sometimes reflexively delete messages, too, so you might call again once after several days (in this case waiting a while is good) if they didn't get your # straight off.
 

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Yeah, my main goal is to somehow keep the iron hot since these girls live 1.5 hours away. If they were local I would invite the girl out of coffee and see where it leads to.
 

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Why does a girl say that they will call when they have no intention to? I would rather just have her be blunt and say she doesn't want another date.
 

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Long ago, I made the mistake of taking my time... trying to be un needy in my phone calls... scarcity principle etc... but little did I know that her receptiveness would slowly decrease over time, unless I anchored good feelings with the sound of my voice during our initial meet.... Of course it just makes it more difficult but not impossible to game her back!!!
 

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Originally posted by MacDiddy
Long ago, I made the mistake of taking my time... trying to be un needy in my phone calls... scarcity principle etc... but little did I know that her receptiveness would slowly decrease over time, unless I anchored good feelings with the sound of my voice during our initial meet.... Of course it just makes it more difficult but not impossible to game her back!!!
True, I think that's one of the reasons my last relationship ended. But over the weekend I went out to eat with my best friend and this girl we know, joining a big group of mostly girls and guys at a restaurant and there were two girls I was very interested in. Well the girl we were with told me afterwards that I did a good job in showing my interest to these two other girls but not pushing it.

Dealing with women is more and more fun when you know how things work. Going out into the field in which I would guess only 5% of the forum does like they should, including me, is the best way to learn about women.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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yeah taking your time is bad. Just move move move!!! move soooooo fast she dosnt have time to think of you in the friends zone...... lol
 

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Cool, I'll call this HB9 tomorrow but like I said my interest is very low since these girls live out of town.

Plus I'm testing this theory out with a 5 I met recently through a female friend but I don't care too much about since she's a 5. We talked last night and before we ended she said we should talk today but I'll see if she calls.

Edit: Maybe I'll just call her if I'm back in her town. I just need to meet women locally.
 
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One thing you guys can't forget about is that why would you go for the phone number if you can get her back to your place?
 

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Originally posted by So pimp its scary
One thing you guys can't forget about is that why would you go for the phone number if you can get her back to your place?
Unfortunately I live with my parents for the time being, plus at the after party I didn't attract her enough to bring her home. It was more like I saw her, talked, danced with some girls and then before I left I got her number and this is the brunette HB9 we're talking about here.

I called her this evening around 5:30pm, she didn't pick up and instead of leaving a voice message, I just selected the page option which shows my phone number as the message.

I know when I move out it would be so much easier to deal with women but maybe I'm using "living with parents" as an excuse NOT to reach my full potential. I listened to David DeAngelo's Interview with Will and he said that he never takes a woman to his place.

In my opinion I would love it if a woman came to my place. I need to move the fukk out of my parents house soon though. That would be great and it's way over due since I'm 24.
 
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