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Shoulders on chest day?

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Up until now I've always done my shoulder workout before my back workout on the same day.

But it seems everyone is recommending to do shoulders after chest so I gave it a go the other day.

I found it was so much more difficult and I couldn't lift anywhere near my normal amount!

Last week I was doing standing military press with 25kg easily but after 7 sets of flat and incline bench I could only barely manage 20kg.

After that I tried front dumbbell raises with 7kg each arm (normal 8kg) and I could barely lift my arm....i ended up struggling with a 6kg.

Is this a good thing? I rather push my shoulders to the limit rather than tiring them out during chest exercises. What are your experiences?
 

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Originally posted by duke007
Up until now I've always done my shoulder workout before my back workout on the same day.
That is how i do it
 

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Do what you wanna do. Lots of people also recommend back/bis and chest/tris, but I've found I can't hit my arms as hard as I'd like if I do them after a complimentary muscle set. Experiment, do what you think will give you the best gains, and if it doesn't work, be open to trying someone else's idea.
 

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Originally posted by duke007
Up until now I've always done my shoulder workout before my back workout on the same day.

But it seems everyone is recommending to do shoulders after chest so I gave it a go the other day.

I found it was so much more difficult and I couldn't lift anywhere near my normal amount!

Last week I was doing standing military press with 25kg easily but after 7 sets of flat and incline bench I could only barely manage 20kg.

After that I tried front dumbbell raises with 7kg each arm (normal 8kg) and I could barely lift my arm....i ended up struggling with a 6kg.

Is this a good thing? I rather push my shoulders to the limit rather than tiring them out during chest exercises. What are your experiences?
What gym you go to? Melbourne uni one ? :cheer:
 

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Do it either on your chest day (after chest) or do it on a seperate day as spaced out from chest as possible. (i.e 3-4 days).

Both are push muscles so it makes sense to put some recovery time in between them.

I limit my shoulder training for that reason. Literally 3-4 sets on a weds along with deadlifts and then hit Chest on a Friday. My shoulders are quite strong and have normally recovered by then.
 

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I used to do shoulders after tris and it was a bastard.

now i do shoulders on leg day and chest with back - im actually working my chest twice within the space of 2 days so im not sure whats gonna happen - it might work for me!

Lets see!
 

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jiza: Yeah I go to Melbourne Uni gym. It's a bastard now that I'm not a student anymore...I have to pay the higher rate.

I'm there around 5-6pm on Tuesdays and Thursday, and whenever on Sundays
 
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