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Should you have sex with Prostitutes?

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Long article about paying for sex.

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The Dark Side of Prostitution

- Real girls may become harder. Just like cocaine addicts may quit investing in social relationships because cocaine activates those same social pleasure centers of the brain (and does so easier and more powerfully), most men who get too far into mongering give up sleeping with girls who don’t sell ***** for coin. They’ll complain about real girls making it too hard, being too flighty, overvaluing themselves, etc. But what’s really happening is they’ve given up their edge... if they ever had it. And now they auto-reject girls who don’t respond to their new style of ‘game’ (i.e., “I’ll give you 300 dollars if you’ll go to bed with me”)

- If you weren’t good before, you can be trapped. Sort of like learning to play a video game with cheat codes. Even if you want to play it without, it’s just too hard and too annoying to bother with once you know you can just type in the cheat code and go back to unlimited power again. I’ve seen a bunch of guys with no-to-low game who get sucked into ***** mongering, and never learn to get women they don’t pay for. They have sex only with prostitutes, date only prostitutes, and marry prostitutes. Often, their prostitute wives cheat on them and leave them, but it’s okay, because they were seeing other prostitutes while they were with these wives, and then go shag more prostitutes after the divorce.

So Should You Have Sex with Prostitutes?'

= The occasional hooker to break a dry spell or crush a plateau is probably okay. If you haven’t been laid in four months and you are just whiffing with every girl you approach right now, a hooker shag may ‘break the curse’ and get you back in the game. Or if you’ve been approaching redheads for a year and still haven’t gotten one on a date, paying for a round of sex with one might get you in the headspace you need to be in to start doing better with girls like this.

- Hookers on vacation are likely okay. I know men who will buy hookers while on vacation, but pick up normally at home. They don’t seem to suffer any ill effects for this, and their use of prostitutes seems to more or less just be good, clean (dirty?) fun.

- A hard limit is crucial. You probably shouldn’t have sex with prostitutes (that you pay for) more than a few times a year, if your goal is more success with real girls. Just from a psychological perspective, if you’re continually failing to get laid with real-life girls and then going to hookers to buy sex instead, you’re going to start to either a.) view yourself as unattractive to women you don’t pay for, or b.) begin to auto-reject non-working girls... You’ll write off regular girls as “too stuck up” or “too full of themselves.” At that point - the point where either your self-esteem falls off a cliff, or your empathy does - your ability to get women you don’t pay for goes down the toilet.

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Thoughts?
 
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Caleb Jones (aka Blackdragon, Alpha Male 2.0) did a 2 part series on this topic in 2017.

In the first article (listed below), he lays out the criteria of when it is ok to pay for sex directly.


When Is Paying for Sex Okay? If Ever?

Now that you know how I arrive at my opinions, here’s my opinion on if/when it’s okay to pay for sex. In my opinion, it’s perfectly acceptable to pay for sex provided you have met two mandatory criteria. If you have not met these two criteria, then it is not okay for you to pay for sex, and doing so is very harmful for you.

These two criteria are:

1. You already know how to get laid reasonably quickly and with at least a reasonably cute women, without having to pay for it (other than the usual dating expenses; things like gas/mass transit, parking, and maybe paying for a drink or two).

2. You make enough money and have little enough debt and monthly expenses where paying for it does not damage your finances and long-term financial plans and goals in any way.
Most men paying for sex directly likely don't meet both of Caleb's criteria.

Here's Part 2 from Caleb below.


This thread now has 2 viewpoints on paying directly for sex from Manosphere article writers. The articles have a lot of overlap.
 

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Lol no banging a redhead wh0re will not get you better with redheads. They are to be avoided point blank.

As the author states dry spell breaking is ok, habitually is not.
 

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I wouldn't personally. When I was growing up, it was considered somewhat shameful for having to pay for sex. It was like how big of a loser do you have to be? Having said that, if someone else wants to do it, I don't have a problem with it. Lol, come to think of it, I've had a similar feeling about OLD.
 

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Exercise caution, if you go down this route in a nation where this sort of vocation is still outlawed. Getting busted in a undercover sting is going to cost a few $$$$$$$ in legal fees
 

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At some point you will age out in being able to attract younger and/or attractive women. Unless you are very wealthy and/or high status.

Escorts would then become a viable proposition. Especially if your testosterone levels and s*x drive have tanked due to age, you may not need to use them that often.
 

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When I was growing up, it was considered somewhat shameful for having to pay for sex. It was like how big of a loser do you have to be?
The disconnect here is ,"the woman he wants to have sex with" vs "the woman who will have sex with him".

Probably 99% of the man of Sosuave would be able to sleep with single mothers in their late 30s and 40s without even trying. But do they want to? No. Men want hot young girls with 0 divorces and 0 kids between 18-27. That's where the whole fight is for, the whole competition is for, the whole everything is for.

If a man pays for a hot girl between 18-27, I don't consider him a loser at all, because his competition is other men, or namely, other men's genetics. its something he cannot control. But if a man pays for a divorced woman, a fat woman, an older woman, a menopausal woman, an ugly woman, a single mother, then yes, he is 100% a loser.
 

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I don't see a problem with it, but only if you have a certain level of success to begin with.

It can help take the edge of and let you be more outcome independent.

If you have very little success, maybe once or twice to get it out of the way, but as a replacement for getting in the game, then no.
 

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I would never.

Some may rationalize it, but I would never be able to get over the fact that I stooped so low as being willing to pay for it.

I wouldn't be able to take that back.
 

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I wouldn't personally. When I was growing up, it was considered somewhat shameful for having to pay for sex. It was like how big of a loser do you have to be? Having said that, if someone else wants to do it, I don't have a problem with it. Lol, come to think of it, I've had a similar feeling about OLD.
There is that stigma. I think there are exceptions, like if you just got out of prison, are serving overseas in the military, or it's purely recreational (trip to Vegas).

Personally I think it shouldn't be such a big deal for either party. As long as the prostitute isn't being trafficked then grown adults should do what they want.

I don't see a problem with it, but only if you have a certain level of success to begin with.

It can help take the edge of and let you be more outcome independent.

If you have very little success, maybe once or twice to get it out of the way, but as a replacement for getting in the game, then no.
This is how I see it from a mentality standpoint. I know guys who are red pill and get laid but still partake. I have only gone so far as getting a nice massage.
 

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If a man pays for a hot girl between 18-27, I don't consider him a loser at all, because his competition is other men, or namely, other men's genetics. its something he cannot control. But if a man pays for a divorced woman, a fat woman, an older woman, a menopausal woman, an ugly woman, a single mother, then yes, he is 100% a loser.
Some of those types of girls also screen harder, are more in demand, and are less likely to be responsive, and some of them can be scams (ie they bring their pimp along and steal your money). There is this guy I know who has a "last resort" escort if he's unable to get an escort he wants, who happens to be a post-wall women he's losing attraction for but that's better than nothing. I didn't even know you can dumpster dive actual hookers if you can't get better options because they are either too busy, or are not responsive enough, etc.....

You also have to know how to communicate with them. If you don't look like you are a serious client prospect or your communication hits their red-flags, then they are not going to reply to your message or pick up the phone. (ie even in the past, I would have to use chat gpt in order to increase my response rates from them when I was trolling them around). Those types of hits are more to a blow to your ego since that reinforces you can't even get a woman you WANT even if you are paying for it, you still have to settle for who is available to you.
 
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If a man pays for a hot girl between 18-27, I don't consider him a loser at all, because his competition is other men, or namely, other men's genetics. its something he cannot control.
I'm not looking to criticize anyone who pays for sex, I'm just speaking for myself. I just can't imagine doing it.
 
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