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Should I msg them after first date?

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I usually messaged first after initial meeting.

But I remember if girls texts first after first date then thats 100% banging. because they are still interested.


I had 2 perfect dates in last week (im 99% sure they are both still interested) and I see they are still browsing badoo/tinder for more pairs.

They didnt msg me. And I didnt msg them.



Generally chicks shouldnt know you are more interested than they are, but from other side they probably think men should text first, or something
 

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You are overthinking IMO.

For starters, most chicks on Tinder/Badoo are on a sloot train and talking to/banging many men. Not all, but most.

If you think they are going to delete their accounts because you went out with them once, you need to swallow a bigger red pill. It doesnt really work like that, with any woman really.

Women are all about weighing their options. They warm up to someone slower than men. They monkey branch because someone better came along and the grass looked greener on the other side.

I dont think it is a bad thing to message them. Typically unless I pick them up and drop them off from a date, I ask them to "let me know when you make it home safely".

That makes it easy for the continuing texting to come naturally after a date.
 

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You are overthinking IMO.

For starters, most chicks on Tinder/Badoo are on a sloot train and talking to/banging many men. Not all, but most.

If you think they are going to delete their accounts because you went out with them once, you need to swallow a bigger red pill. It doesnt really work like that, with any woman really.

Women are all about weighing their options. They warm up to someone slower than men. They monkey branch because someone better came along and the grass looked greener on the other side.

I dont think it is a bad thing to message them. Typically unless I pick them up and drop them off from a date, I ask them to "let me know when you make it home safely".

That makes it easy for the continuing texting to come naturally after a date.
Thanks for your input.

I dont care they still have their profiles. I do so too. But they are proactively searching for new options and setting new dates. Its not said they will be better than me. Why in that case they dont msg me then? Is it better to jump into some first date-loop?
 

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Thanks for your input.

I dont care they still have their profiles. I do so too. But they are proactively searching for new options and setting new dates. Its not said they will be better than me. Why in that case they dont msg me then? Is it better to jump into some first date-loop?
These OLD chicks have messages coming in every day. If they are one of the few hot ones, they have messages coming in so fast they can't/don't read them all.

I was banging a chick from OLD last year and she showed me her profile and how many messages she got in a day. It was alarming. I just teased her and would say stuff like "change your profile to seeking other women so we can find a third". But seriously, if you do get them out on a date you have to make a serious impression AND escalate or they just bounce to the next offer.

It wouldn't hurt to shoot them a quick text but by no means over pursue or chase. If their enthusiasm level seems to have changed since before the date when you text them, drop them completely. It just shows that their attention is going to someone else.
 

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These OLD chicks have messages coming in every day. If they are one of the few hot ones, they have messages coming in so fast they can't/don't read them all.

I was banging a chick from OLD last year and she showed me her profile and how many messages she got in a day. It was alarming. I just teased her and would say stuff like "change your profile to seeking other women so we can find a third". But seriously, if you do get them out on a date you have to make a serious impression AND escalate or they just bounce to the next offer.

It wouldn't hurt to shoot them a quick text but by no means over pursue or chase. If their enthusiasm level seems to have changed since before the date when you text them, drop them completely. It just shows that their attention is going to someone else.
Yeah thats exactly my thought. Sometimes I escalate to get a kiss, sometimes I dont. Now I see in case of OLD a kiss on first date is a must do
 

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OLD chicks are DTF.

You'l lose far more of them from not escalating near them and of the first date than you will from escalating.
 

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100% of them are DTF? yet usually they all go so mad when you mention sex while messaging
With any woman, not just ones from OLD, if they provide an opening in their text to take the convo down a sexual road I take it. They either jump on board or I can tell they are put off. It provides me the information I need to know when I go out with her as to how hard to escalate. If they are put off I laugh it off and proceed.

Some women won't start talking dirty but when the lost date kissing starts getting hot they can get their clothes off fast enough.
 

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I usually messaged first after initial meeting.

But I remember if girls texts first after first date then thats 100% banging. because they are still interested.


I had 2 perfect dates in last week (im 99% sure they are both still interested) and I see they are still browsing badoo/tinder for more pairs.

They didnt msg me. And I didnt msg them.



Generally chicks shouldnt know you are more interested than they are, but from other side they probably think men should text first, or something
I always text them the next day, late afternoon or evening. I know most people on here say you should wait 2-3 days, but I feel thats outdated. We live in a fast paced, digital world, and women just have to many options nowadays. I feel they think your not interested if you wait to long to contact them.

Yeah thats exactly my thought. Sometimes I escalate to get a kiss, sometimes I dont. Now I see in case of OLD a kiss on first date is a must do
Every OLD date I have had that I didn't kiss has never went out on a 2nd date with me. You need to escalate as far as she will let it go.

100% of them are DTF? yet usually they all go so mad when you mention sex while messaging
Don't talk dirty to them at first unless they do. Every girl is DTF if her emotions are in the right place.

OLD= ONLINE DATING?
Yes
 

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I always wait for them to to text me after a first date. All of the women that texted me first after the first date went out with me at least another 3 dates. However, I had a woman who I went out on a first date last week, who texted me the day after, I asked her out for the following week, and she said she would let me know, her work schedule was so hectic this week. Her exact words were "I am really busy at work right now, I will text you to let you know when I am free, if you are free too then good, we can set something up, until then lets keep in touch". I next her because the way she wrote that, I found it odd. Anyway, it was the first time a woman texted me the day after the first date and then didnt want to set up a second date. Threw me off!
 

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Maybe she's one of those odd fishes telling the truth?
I always wait for them to to text me after a first date. All of the women that texted me first after the first date went out with me at least another 3 dates. However, I had a woman who I went out on a first date last week, who texted me the day after, I asked her out for the following week, and she said she would let me know, her work schedule was so hectic this week. Her exact words were "I am really busy at work right now, I will text you to let you know when I am free, if you are free too then good, we can set something up, until then lets keep in touch". I next her because the way she wrote that, I found it odd. Anyway, it was the first time a woman texted me the day after the first date and then didnt want to set up a second date. Threw me off!
 

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Wait 5-9 days after the first date and call them on the phone.

If they really like you, they'll text you long before then.
If they like you a little, they'll answer the phone.
If they don't like you, they won't answer nor will they call you back.
 

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5-9 days after the first date!? That's way too long bro. She will already feel rejected and be on her merry way. I would say a day or two depending on the date but if it was AWESOME. You should always setup the second date on the first date.
Wait 5-9 days after the first date and call them on the phone.

If they really like you, they'll text you long before then.
If they like you a little, they'll answer the phone.
If they don't like you, they won't answer nor will they call you back.
 

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5-9 days after the first date!? That's way too long bro. She will already feel rejected and be on her merry way. I would say a day or two depending on the date but if it was AWESOME. You should always setup the second date on the first date.
Nope, you are completely wrong. I've been doing this religiously for over a year. Over 30 lays and 2 LTRs later, here I am.

Don't worry, if your game was tight she will text you within 24 hours anyway. Truth is, it's you who aren't man enough to wait.

Her interest level is all that matters, guy. Not yours.
 

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Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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