“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Should I lower my standards?

MrNiceGuy

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There are thereapists that sleep with thier clients? I thought that was the number one thing they couldnt do! I guess you mean a different sort of therapist.

Thats something I've never seriously considered, mainly I guess because it seems like the ultimate nail in the coffin to ones self-esteem, actually having to pay someone to sleep with you.

I suppose I'm not actually that nervous. I'd rather lose my virginity to a one night stand (with whoeever) than have to pay for it, like I said, If its a ons, I don't think I't be too much of a problem because I'd know I wouldn't have to see the girl again.
 

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Never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, EVER pay for sex! There are plenty of older women (35-40) that would kill for someone in thier young twenties. (Not that I condone this type of behavior, but it may be an option to get your sexual experience in.)

You can get a older women with a killer body quite easily, or you can get a pretty slut your age just as easy. (But WATCH THE FVCK OUT FOR STDS!!!!)

Also, virginity for a man is NOTHING SPECIAL! Usually a guy does not 'last' if he does not have that much experience. It is not the same as a virgin guy for a virgin girl. It is important to get some experience, but I think that you may severely limit your options if you have no experience. (Unless you have the right mindset, since 'stamina' is all in the mind...but it can be tough to get into that mindset if you are a virgin! Maybe you can 'act' like you are not a virgin?) A woman changes after sex, I don't think that a man changes that much. You don't need to idealize it like some do, IMO.
 

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Perhaps some clarification is in order. I am not advocating a quick trip to a seedier corner of the city for a roll in the hay with a woman of the night. I have a friend who was rather frustrated with his lack of decent women and his virginity always in tow. So, last summer, on a trip to geneva, he employed the services of the courtesan and told her what he wanted to learn.

As for the sex therapists, I use that term with some hesitancy, but there are professional women out there who make a practice out of teaching men how to be better in the sack. They tend to be quite professional and often teach through some hands on experience. This is often the case with some higher-end escorts.

Quite frankly, it is only an indignity when you have no other options, which is obviously not the case. In fact, there are several reasons I would advocate visiting a professional.

1) It does not require you to sacrifice your standards or your self respect.
If anything, you can choose a woman who fits your standards and fetishes specifically.

2) Its safer.
It is a controlled environment where you do not have to worry about STD's, pregnancies, or waking up with your wallet missing, all problems in the bar scene.

3) There is no embarassment or performance anxiety, which inevitably leads to better sex.
If you can't perform, they are there to help you. They will do so in a professional manner, and with insights you would never obtain during a ONS. Ultimately, this leads to your better performance, and the ability to practically ruin any woman for any other man. Let me tell you, that's a confidence builder. :D

4) No commitment or messy emotional entanglements.
Due to the professional nature of the relationship, you don't have to cuddle, call, and you won't feel like a jack@ss even if you never see them again...ever. Oh yeah, and you never have to worry about meeting the parents.

5) It gets the job done.
You acheive the release and experience without having any stories for your best friend to relate at your bachelor party. This allows you to focus on more important things in life.

6) Simple convenience.
They are there for you, whenever you want them, and never when you don't.

7) The money issue is a non-issue.
You don't have to pay for sex. Most guys will object to the use of professional services provided by these women because they are solidly of the opinion that you should never pay for sex. But let's think about it...Isn't that what you're doing going on a date or three with a woman with no gaurantee of any return on your investment? I rest my case.

8) Practically and economically it just makes sense.
If you're not looking for a relationship, but rather some quick experience, it just makes sense, Period.

Don't misconstrue this as me promoting a reliance on the services rendered by such professional women. I'm merely saying, that it is really not an option he should be overlooking. Not to mention that it is much preferrable than going to bed with a butter face or going on safari with a verifiable hippo and waking up to the realization that it hurts when you pee.

Never say never. Think about it.

-CyranoDeBergerac
 

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Cyrano,

Good points. I was just saying that paying for sex just to "get some" is a bad idea considering the women out there that would jump at the chance to screw somebody young. (Pretty too, just...old. No butter faces, or hippos, yuck! That is not sex, it is even worse than masteurbation with another person! LOL!)

Oh, and on the date thing, I guess I am spoiled since I am young (21), but I rarely if ever go on traditional 'dates'. Never have. I usually meet chicks through friends or at parties or whatever. (Not to metion work, but that all depends on the type of job.)

But when I get older, shiit, I guess I will have to pay for it one way or another...DAMN! Or maybe I will just have to bump up the ol' icepick charm factor...have to see how that plays out!
 

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Edge, stop acting like you are the Pimp of this Forum. Braggin about some girl you "banged" over a week end wont gain you any respect. My previous post had a line about you becuase i've seen you talking about "picking up UG's just to get some" and it is not right.

Mr. Nice guy, have you ever seen the movie SWingers? rent it sometime. Remember, things only come to people who arent desperate for those things. Stop worrying about sex and your first time. Concentrate on getting to know girls better, and weed out the bad ones, so you can have a nice LTR. that is my goal right now, and , believe me, i was obsessed with getting laid before.;)
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Hey Cyrano and the oxide,

YOU guys are the best DJ's...


The Edge 'Some have it, and some don't '
 
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Haha, you know, i find it incredibly funny when i see someone acting dumber and dumber when he is trying to defend himself.
Thanks for making me smile, Mcdonalds is hiring i hear.

I never said that freedom of speech is wrong, i said your attitude is.When did me or Cyrano say anything about models?
You say you dont want a flame war and insult both of us (when we never insulted you...) and that is just childish.

Why dont you post a picture of yourself, so everyone can see a perfect example of an amature.

good day;)
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Why dont you post a picture of yourself, so everyone can see a perfect example of an amature.good day;)
Yes Sir...

The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
 
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Man some heavy weights goin at it in this thread... this is like clash of the titans.
 

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Originally posted by MrNiceGuy
I suppose I'd rather my first shag was with someone who I wouldn't care if I made a fool of myself somehow, but I'd also rather be with someone who I actaully find attractive.
OKay....
 
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Originally posted by Survivor
In my opinion, lowering your standards is the mother of all cop-outs.

Don't lower the standards you have for women. Raise the standards you have for yourself.
I agree completely; don't go for someone you aren't attracted to, in hopes that you will become more attractive yourself!

Oh, and to the guys trenched in a flame war: I believe there is an ancient Chinese proverb that goes like this:
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... you may win, but you're still retarded.
 

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No, it is not an ancient proverb, and it is generally a stupid saying. If we didnt argue in our lives, we would be the most boring people on earth.


But hey, Edge, i guess ill let you go screw around with all type of girls, it's all good as long as you like it. Just wear some protection bro, i dont think you are responsible enough to be a dad yet.



On the other hand, i know some Adults who used to be just like Edge in their teen years. Now they are divorced with a couple kids from different women. Do you guys really want that?
I had the same attitude as a lot of other teens "**** now, regrett later" but after talking to people who've been where i wanted to go, i've realized that it is MUCH better to have a loving relationship with a girl and make love to her without worries.
 

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I refuse to high-jack a serious post with a flame war. I assure you you would more than outmatched in a battle of wits...or wills...and so if you insist on carrying on with the sort of display for which I have taken against you, I shall create a thread where we can hopefully find some resolution between our ideas. Consider this the throwing down of a gauntlet. I challenge you and your ideals. Are you man enough to accept?
 

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Decline !!

Originally posted by CyranoDeBergerac
Are you man enough to accept?
I wave the white flag... You guys are too much for me.. I surrender...

Oxide and Cyrano.. please teach us how to be DJ's...

Thank you for everything..:rolleyes:


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Can't we all just get along?!!
Actually I don't care because I'm here trying to finish typing up my last paper of the year for school and this is a welcome and much needed distraction. I've checked out ESPN.com all I can and the few hot girls that were here in the computer lab have long gone. Damn I can't wait to go on vacation.

Hey CyranoDeBergerac, I got a date coming up and I don't know which restarunt I want to go to... Plus i'm too lazy to look for one, can you recommend one to me that's mid range price, inside a casino is fine too cause they have lots of things to do, but a stand alone would do me just as well.
 

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? Edge you want someone to get banned?

Seriously, you come off as some 16 yar old, with all that knutts and fukkyn and stupid sh!t like that. I am dissapointed man, when i came here i thought u knew what you were doing, now you have turned into some "im da fukkyn arrogance" . I dont know if this works with the ladies, but it doesnt work here. And stop doing this lame "this is just internet" excuse. This is about your attitude , about this board and respect in general.;)

edit: one hell of 500th post Edge, way to go :rolleyes:
congrats none of the less.
 

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3 things
  1. Cant the moderators create some sort of "Don Juan Fights" forum into which people can post their flame wars, theres got to be some way people could be encouraged to use it..
  2. This is an interesting topic, I'm not going to write much now cos its late and I need sleep but I'd like to bump it anyway. I had a chat about it to another of my friends and I'm getting of the opinion that if I'm wearing strong enough beer goggles and I feel comfortable with it, then I'll go with one of these girls, provided at the time I'm feeling some sort of attraction. I suppose its a thorny issue about whether that actually counts as lowering ones standards.
  3. What oxide was saying about not being too desperate and concentrate on finding a LTR, well, I dont think I'm acting desperate at all, I've failed to close with quite a few chicks now just because I wasn't explicit enough at emphasising my attraction, unfortuantely my mindset still reverts to alot of talking to girls as mates behaviours when I'm trying to chat someone up. Secondly at the moment it seems like it will be alot easier to get laid than to find a meaningful LTR, I'm sure I'll be able to close the gap as time goes on, but at the moment it seems pretty big.
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Originally posted by PRMoon
Hey CyranoDeBergerac, I got a date coming up and I don't know which restarunt I want to go to... Plus i'm too lazy to look for one, can you recommend one to me that's mid range price, inside a casino is fine too cause they have lots of things to do, but a stand alone would do me just as well.
What time are you expecting to be dining?

What part of Vegas are you going to be in?

What's your personal style, prep or pimp, cool or classy?

Any favorite foods? (Mexican is a gamble as you usually want to stay away from beans and other 'musical fruits' until later on...)

What's she like? How adventurous is she? (would she mind sushi?)

What's the impression you're wanting to make???

PM me.
 

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So guys, back to the crux of the issue: should you lower your standards?

I'm wondering if I should have taken the number of a girl I was just talking to on the walk to work... she's got the bod of a 6-7 but is only a 5 upstairs. I didn't feel like asking her number and now I'm regretting it slightly.

Do you guys take numbers if you're not going to call them?

Oscar.
 
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I try not to. Why make the girl feel bad? But, on the other hand, remember this "Every UG has a good looking girl she knows". So call her up and tell her to meet you with some firends of hers. Then you will have fun.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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