"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Should I get rid of this young girl or keep tagging her along?

GuanYu

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This is similar to Str8's "Ok, so I'm a bastard.." post, but to not highjack his thread I decided to start one of my own.

I have a few girlfriends, like most of you I'm sure, but we'll just focus on one for now...

My main problem is with the 19 year old. Now I know at that particular age, having a bf is a status symbol. She's already introduced me to most of her family and seems to want me around all of the time. Of course, I'm not around all of the time which leads me to believe that she's always on the lookout for something else.

I've already caught her once, she lied to me one night saying she was somewhere else when she wasn't and had another dude with her. When I caught her, she immediately told the guy to leave, begged me to stay, cried etc ..She also claims to have completely cut the other guy off and insisted they didn't fvck that night. Says they were just old friends and when they began kissing, she stopped and that's when I arrived.(which I'll never believe ..it was 2:30am or so when I went to her place.)

Now, when I tried to ditch her, she simply wouldn't let me go. I tried doing everything I could even telling her we could just remain fb's(she wanted a "relationship") and she just wasn't buying it. She wanted to show me how much she cared, blah blah so I finally gave up and soon after received the best head ever.

So instead of trying to get out of it to no avail, I simply refuse to take this "relationship" seriously. However, I feel the longer I allow this to go on the more I could care about this chick who I shouldn't catch feelings for. I don't trust her since that night and the way I am once that's been crushed it's impossible to get it again. Thing is we have fun together and the fact knowing that this is something else to entertain me is enticing. I don't know what to expect with this girl. Almost like she's playing the same game with me I'm playing with her.

I continue to bang other chicks while tagging this girl along for the ride, but some feelings are beginning to ensue. It's almost painful to describe but I'm only human and the two of us are too compatible.

I need some advice on how to get out of this thing without having my tires cut or worse. I can understand why this girl is so into me, but why cheat and act all devoted and all of that other bs when she got caught?

Anyone else have a lot of experience dealing with really young girls like this? I've mainly dealt with women older than me so this is kind of new to me.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Not really surprised by the lack of responses so let me add a bit more information...

-I want to dump this girl because I don't trust her. It's becoming more apparent that she wants an LTR with me, but I can't take what we have seriously because she's already fvcked up.

-I've tried ignoring her completely. No phone calls, texts, etc..however she knows where I stay and likes to hang out. Her interest level is so exceptionally high and she's so deceiving that it's confusing to me.

-Can't lie, out of all of the chicks I bang now she's the best. Head game, calls out my name, etc ..really pumps my ego up.

It all sounds good, right? So why get out of it? Because I have to but am running out of options as to how. Completely cutting her off won't work and if I get too extreme I foresee her doing some really crazy sh*t. I know plenty of you must have dealt with a psycho or really obsessive girl before right? She even has my picture plastered across her freakin laptop and mentioned getting my name tattooed on her.
 

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GuanYu said:
-I want to dump this girl because I don't trust her. It's becoming more apparent that she wants an LTR with me, but I can't take what we have seriously because she's already fvcked up.
Well, just dump her if you cannot trust her. Read that again. Cut her off.

Your problems arise because you want to hang onto the sexual side of your connection with her BUT you feel that she has cheated on you, or betrayed your trust or treated you with disrespect.
Your dilemma is a familiar one on this forum. You want what you have with this particular woman BUT you resent her because of her previous dishonesty.
To compound the probelm , you are now admitting to having "feelings" for her.

Simply put, you find yourself in conflict. You should have gone "no contact" her IMMEDIATELY she lied to you about her actions with that other guy.
IF you and she are not exclusive, then she is entitled to date other guys, but lying is a dealbreaker.
REad KC's recent thread about his date with a woman who disrespected him. Read some of the confused nonsense from other guys who believe that women's poor actions are tolerable as long as she is only a FB, or you have other "options" .

Then read some of Guru's1000 early posts and read how it should be done.
 

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If you thinkyou need to fire someone from a job,you probably should have 6 months ago.
 

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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Yea, I tried doing the same thing with my ex g/f when I caught her at some dudes house at 3am. Told her we could fukk but that was it.

It's gonna end, and you have put your head square on the chopping block. She knows you aren't 100% into it, so her radar is tuned and she's already looking, believe me.

What's gonna end up happening if you try to keep her at arms length is that she is going to find someone else, and as soon as she's reasonably sure that it's a stable branch, you will go from being like a god to being utterly disgusting overnight, and you will be left wondering how the hell YOU got dumped by someone who you already gave the axe to.

It's not a good feeling. Trust me.
 

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Great responses guys, thanks.

I think it's best for me to keep trying to slip away from this chick. I already know she'll do something crazy if I flat out cut her off, so maybe if I only respond to her when she initiates contact that may eventually get her the f away from me?

My head is definitely on the block, but it won't be hard for me to move before the axe comes crashing down. I like this girl, but I don't have any serious feelings for her.

Also, I know I said it's the best sex but only because of her head game and her moans and stuff. For all I care she's sukked 1000 sausages, but she watches porn too so I'm sure that contributes some. Physically, she's weak since she kinda just lays there or tries to run away when I hit it from the back. Like she can't take it
 

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Well you're both cheaters, so you have that in common. Why should you be worried about trusting her when you yourself cannot be trusted? She cheated on you and gave you guilt fellatio.
 

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Dear GuanYu,
The more you push her away the better sex you will get....that's what FB's are all about...so treat her as light relief until you get someone as good then give her the flick,but you never leave a dug out unless you have another to run too...anyway get honest,a horny young guy like you will always be attracted to the sexiest Woman,it's a biological imperative...
 

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She's 19 and attractive. Come on, it's not like you plan to marry her or vice versa. This seems more like a non issue where both parties are no emotionally mature to deal with the facts but enjoy the struggle.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I had similar problem about three years ago. Thinking back, she was just young and didn't know what she wanted. I am glad that I "nexted" her and move on with my life, for the reason that I didn't want to hurt the young girl, being in any sort of drama, and obviously my IL for her had slumped. I guess your is too.

One advice I can give you is, use your mind and your heart to solve these type of social, emotional problem, not with your pen15.

Chuchu
 

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Decided I'm just going to keep her around for a bit. She's fun to hang out with and the sex is good so why the hell not. I just hope she doesn't trip if she ever finds out I'm dating other girls since she thinks I'm her bf. If she does ..oh well.
 
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