“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Should I bring up a relationship first...given the circumstances?

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I know I know, we're not supposed to ask the chick to be in a relationship first, we wait for her to do that. Usually I follow AD's Machine almost to a T. It seems to work great and I've had a lot of success with his method.

But I also agree with a lot of what Pook has to say, and Pook's theme and most important advice is this: Trust your gut.

So as for my situation, been seeing this chick for about 4 months now. She's great, she's hot, she's fun, she's giving, she fits everything I'm looking for. I'm thinking about turning her into a LTR.

Up to this point I've paid her minimal comments. I haven't come out and told her how I feel about her, but when we're together I show her what I think about her. She's pretty traditional though and believes the man should make the moves and do all the asking.

She compliments me a lot, calls me handsome, stud, etc. But she also drops hints quite a bit that she wouldn't ask the guy out or tell a guy that she misses him or loves him first because she believes the man should do it.

So I'm debating, possibly, possibly, in a very low emotion and manly way telling her a little about how I feel about her, and talking about the potential of being in a relationship.

Again, this goes against AD's advice, but at this point it's somewhat what my gut's telling me to do. I'm the man and I'm acting like the man, but at the same time I don't want to blow things with her because of my pride.

So what would you do? Bring up a relationship? Tell her how you feel? Or still wait for her to bring it up?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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1-2 said:
I know I know, we're not supposed to ask the chick to be in a relationship first, we wait for her to do that. Usually I follow AD's Machine almost to a T. It seems to work great and I've had a lot of success with his method.
Well,I'm not sure what Ad's Machine is,but if it's gotten you this far,I don't know why you stop listening now.

So as for my situation, been seeing this chick for about 4 months now. She's great, she's hot, she's fun, she's giving, she fits everything I'm looking for. I'm thinking about turning her into a LTR.
The thing I don't understand is,if everything is going so well right now,then why rock the boat? You like her,she likes you,you're happy right now,she's happy. Why can't things just continue as they are? Why even bring up the whole relationship issue? If you want an LTR,then let her bring it up.

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Up to this point I've paid her minimal comments.
Really? Like what? What kind of things do you say to her? And have you noticed any slight/subtle changes in her behavior towards you? Any changes?

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She compliments me a lot, calls me handsome, stud, etc. But she also drops hints quite a bit that she wouldn't ask the guy out or tell a guy that she misses him or loves him first because she believes the man should do it.
So basically,she's "baiting you" into telling her how you feel about her. Tread carefully here my friend.

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So I'm debating, possibly, possibly, in a very low emotion and manly way telling her a little about how I feel about her, and talking about the potential of being in a relationship.
Yeah,this is the part I wanted to get to. Can you give some example of how you plan to "manly,with low emotion" tell her how you feel? I'd really like to hear this.

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So what would you do? Bring up a relationship?
No.
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Tell her how you feel?
No.
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Or still wait for her to bring it up?
Yeah. I'd wait for her to do it.
 

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Never ever bring relationship **** to girls.
 

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Ige, thanks for the reply, good advice as always.

Igetit! said:
Well,I'm not sure what Ad's Machine is,but if it's gotten you this far,I don't know why you stop listening now.
Serious? You've been here how long and you're gonna tell me you've NEVER read AD's Machine? It's in the DJ Bible, you gotta check it out. For what it's worth, Pook swears by it.

Igetit! said:
The thing I don't understand is,if everything is going so well right now,then why rock the boat? You like her,she likes you,you're happy right now,she's happy. Why can't things just continue as they are? Why even bring up the whole relationship issue? If you want an LTR,then let her bring it up.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, right? I agree with this to a point. What I wonder about is a lack of action. In everything we do in life we're supposed to "grab it by the horns". Wait too long and a good thing will pass you by. It seems as though it applies to everything...except for girls? I'm just not sure I agree with this 100% all the time, in every situation.

Igetit! said:
Really? Like what? What kind of things do you say to her? And have you noticed any slight/subtle changes in her behavior towards you? Any changes?
Once, once, I complimented her on her skin, and I could tell by her reaction that I shouldn't have done it. She responded in a "good" way, but I could see through it. Deep down I could tell she was thinking "Hah! I've got him!" and I was like "F*ck! Shouldn't have said that!" Live and learn.
Other than that the only thing "romantic" I've said to her is calling her "sweety" once, maybe twice, and "cutie" once. That's it. She throws out handsomes, studs, good looking, etc on a regular basis, and gives me hints that she's annoyed I don't do the same.
I've only said those things when I had the advantage and did want her to know to some degree how I felt about her. This is after she's done things to prove herself by doing things for me, mind you.

Igetit! said:
So basically,she's "baiting you" into telling her how you feel about her. Tread carefully here my friend.
Fair enough. Care to expand on that?

Igetit! said:
Yeah,this is the part I wanted to get to. Can you give some example of how you plan to "manly,with low emotion" tell her how you feel? I'd really like to hear this.
Specifically, not so much. Is it possible? I don't know. I'm simply saying if I did say anything, it would be minimal and far from me gushing my emotions all over her.

Igetit! said:
No. No. Yeah. I'd wait for her to do it.
Ok, good to know. Part of the reason I'm laying all this out to the forum is so I can get an outside DJ's perspective on what's up. Sort of like going to the DJ compass every now and again to make sure I'm still flying straight. If what I'm saying sounds like a bad idea to you and other DJs here then I'm not gonna do it.
 

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This isnt too helpful when people look at how they feel as being Weak. Feeling love for soemone should NOT be seen as being WEAK. Loving is not a weakness or disease.

Or stating how much you care about someone and want to be with them as a Failing, vulnerability and weakness.
Trying too hard to 'make her my GF' never works. Theres too much neediness and desperation still present.

You need to show her through your actions.
You're the one that has to set the stage for what you want. She will either comply or not. This doesnt include you making some speech or lecture or whatever about exclusivity.

While I understand our inherent dislike of showing anything about us that may show vulnerability or weakness, there are times that we must look at our basic human nature and recognize we need love, affection, and companionship. And thats nothing to be ashamed of.

Im not too comfortable with her comments about the things that SHE doesnt do, that 'the man should do'. Because that only give more of an impression that you two are negotiating Power Plays. And Power Plays in real Love are not signs of genuine Love for each other.
We cant be so insecure that we fear 'showing our cards'. This goes for women too.
We need to be much stronger mentally and emotionally to be more self sufficient.

If it works out , great. If it doesnt, we move on.

When we think about us exposing ourself and being taken advantage of , etc etc..we start a perception that may be self fulfilling. We being to operate from a sense of danger and too much risk.
So all of our decisions become more about self preservation, and often...fear.
Rather than the joy of having love and companionship in our lives, and for us to just enjoy it while we have it.

Be careful of looking at relationships in this very black and white Adversarial, power moves kind of way.
When both of you are playing power moves, theres no real love to be found.
Youre both worrying too much about how to protect yourself than to love yourself and your partner.

So I am kind of concerned about the woman stating that there are things she WONT do because shes the woman, or the man is SUPPOSED to do that. Why?
Because she's more concerned with her self image and level of control/power than loving you.
I personally dont like that kind of perception.


Remember we show her best when we show our love through our conviction and actions.

The less you concern yourself with how you will come off, and are more concerned with BEING the best man you can BE, and living the Life you want to live, the stronger you will be in every circumstance.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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interceptor!

where have you been bro?

so suave misses you!

well at least i do.
 

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PokerStar said:
interceptor!

where have you been bro?

so suave misses you!

well at least i do.
Ive been around. Im still active here.
Thanks for the kind words.
 

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DonS said:
The real question here is what insecurity are you carrying that has you considering doing what you know is wrong? Pook says trust your gut? Your gut is wrong. Relationships and the management of them is womens work. You are a man; you hunt, kill, conquer, grow, achieve, protect, build, etc.. You don't take a 4 month piece of tail and "tell her how you feel." You let a girl know how you feel by how much of your time and resources she is getting as compared to all the other women and activities competing for you.

Let me tell you a story. I was dating this chick for about 6 months and she gave me a line about blah blah she likes guys who are comfortable enough with themselves to open up to a girl, and like a fvcking idiot, I told her over the phone "I really like you and want to take this relationship to the next level." She immediately blurted out "I KNEW IT! I KNEW YOU WERE CRAZY ABOUT ME!" Then guess what: she LBJF'd me the next week and started sleeping with this bad boy thug a couple days later.

Bro, it is a TRAP! Do not fall for it. She must chase! She must win you over! She must compete with other women! She must never really know where she stands with you! All these things is what causes a woman to feel gut-level attraction. As long as she has to wonder, she has to feel attraction. Let the cat out of the bag and her interest level will implode and your next post here will be asking how to get you ex back or treatments for depression.

Think about it: she's into you, she's giving you compliments and sex, she's on her best behavior for you, she's not flaking, she's fun to be with, why in the Hell would you want to ruin all that? And if you go and tell her you want to be in a relationship, she will quickly turn off the sex and turn on the *****y, disrespectful, flaky behavior followed by the LJBFs speech.
I believe that one incident is not and cannot be representative of everyone's experiences.
And I add, that that chick was just some dumb immature, (blank) who doesnt deserve a good man.
The problem lied with that female, not the sharing of feelings itself.


I will also state that relationships dont thrive on their own. They can only grow and improve with the energy that the two partners contribute to it.
There are differences between the 'attraction/seduction' stage and the relationship maintenance stage.
You dont stop doing the things that attracted her in the first place, but you also have to know that women want security and safety. And being too aloof and distant, and unattached does not make it a safe and secure and loving place for your woman.
I think we need to reinvestigate the true motivation in not affirming that Yes, we do want a woman in our life, and NO I dont think its weak to want that. We've created a society that values being deceptive, manipulative, disingenuous, and ego driven, self image control freaks. And we still want others to love and respect us anyway, despite our not being genuine, and truly kind hearted people to one another. THAT is crazy.
We have placed more value in self preservation and we're still not happy. We fear love and avoid it and associate it with pain and suffering and we're still not happy. We live in a world where continually affirm that being open and vulnerable to your partner is all doom and gloom and imminent death.
Thats the society and culture we've created, and in a backlash, an overly romantic Disneyworld counter cutlure was created and that destoryed most of Men's masculinity in one fell swoop....
Of course we dont know where to go or who to talk to, or WHO to TRUST!
Look at whats happened to us.


Its not weak to show Love to your woman, and show her you value her and appreciate her.
You just have to know how to do in a strong, confident and masculine manner....



IN addition, part of being a Masculine man who hunts, and kills, is to provide safety and security to his woman and family.
Women thrive on feeling safe and secure. They are wired to look for and always expect that. Not doing that gives off the sense that one is not as mature and masculine, attractive to a LSE woman, perhaps, but to a HSE who feels she deserves a Great Man? No.
The HSE woman expects classy . masculine and mature behavior from men and men who DONT display that dont even appear on their radar. They become trivial and irrelevant.


(I will say that MOST of the tactics offered are for men who prefer to be viewed as a guy that just 'fvcks her' rather than relationship material.

Obviously if you couldnt care less about eventually being in an LTR then this wouldnt apply to you.
So bascially you can say there are two kinds of men for this , the guy who just is there to fvck her, and the Mature Masculine Man. Can you be a MMM who just wants to fvck her? Yes, actually you can.
But not by playing games and being manipulative and deceptive. Therein lies the difference. The MMM can always choose to be or not be in an LTR, he calls his shots. He recognizes what he feels he deserves too.

Its up to you to decide what kind of Man you want to be, and what kind of lifestyle you want. Decide with accurate thinking. And dont let yourself be swayed by the herd mentality. This also goes for reltionships and marriage. Dont get into an LTR because "She wants to", or marriage "because she wants it." What about YOU? what do YOU want?
David Deangelo also talks about how women may view you, as either the Lover or the Provider. His "lover" is just a guy who wants to date many women and does not want an LTR, but hes not a 'player'. He just isnt looking for marriage or commitment at that time. Which is fine. The "Provider" in Deangelo's definition is a very poor class of man, one who HAS to BUY affection from women, and offers Provisions, good, favors, and services, because he lacks raw masculinity to offer her. So he offers her 'things', not himself. Since he lacks confidence in himself to believe that he can be attractive enough by himself without having to offer a certain lifestyle. I call that guy the "Provisioner" though. I consider the mature masculine man, one who is a Hunter, Warrior, Lover, and Provider. But these are my terms I like to use.)


How long does that playing 'hard to get' have to go on?
If you love her and want her in your life, then being aloof and distant arent always the best choices to make for the woman you love.
You cant be obsessed with her, and suffocate her with your clinginess. But if youre a mature, masculine man, this issue will never come up for you.

Please remember, that AWs with low self esteem are the ones who crave validation and attention, not genuine mature love from you. The techniques that are often presented here are for attracting THOSE kinds of Females.
Women who really want love will most often never turn away your love.
Women who want validation and attention wont know how to deal with your love. Which kind of partner do YOU want in your life?
a mature, classy woman who appreciates you? Or some dumb (blank) who wants you to chase her around like a puppy dog?

That is the emotional/mental makeup of the majority of women that a lot of this advice is geared to. Not for healthy high self esteem, self respecting women who want a GREAT MAN in their life.

If all you ever see in your city are big dumps of sh*t , then you might assume that in every city there will be big piles of sh*t there too.
Think clearly about what you are making yourself BELIEVE.
Think clearly about what kind of beliefs you are subscribing to.



A relationship is what you make it.
If you check out, and make it all about her doing all the work , youre setting a double standard which eventually will leave her feeling lost, lonely, alone, and resentful to you for not showing up.
Why should she be with a guy who doesnt show up?

Do you have to sacrifice WHO you ARE for her?

NEVER.

The choice is yours to decide to be with a compatible woman who accepts you for WHO you are, rather than just some chick who happens to be there.
This is the mentality often of a lot of guys who have this fear of relationships and intimacy. Instead at looking at their own choices and how they conduct themselves, they place this external emphasis and blame others for their lack of awarenes and shrewdness.
 

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DonS said:
The real question here is what insecurity are you carrying that has you considering doing what you know is wrong? Pook says trust your gut? Your gut is wrong. Relationships and the management of them is womens work. You are a man; you hunt, kill, conquer, grow, achieve, protect, build, etc.. You don't take a 4 month piece of tail and "tell her how you feel." You let a girl know how you feel by how much of your time and resources she is getting as compared to all the other women and activities competing for you.

Let me tell you a story. I was dating this chick for about 6 months and she gave me a line about blah blah she likes guys who are comfortable enough with themselves to open up to a girl, and like a fvcking idiot, I told her over the phone "I really like you and want to take this relationship to the next level." She immediately blurted out "I KNEW IT! I KNEW YOU WERE CRAZY ABOUT ME!" Then guess what: she LBJF'd me the next week and started sleeping with this bad boy thug a couple days later.

Bro, it is a TRAP! Do not fall for it. She must chase! She must win you over! She must compete with other women! She must never really know where she stands with you! All these things is what causes a woman to feel gut-level attraction. As long as she has to wonder, she has to feel attraction. Let the cat out of the bag and her interest level will implode and your next post here will be asking how to get you ex back or treatments for depression.

Think about it: she's into you, she's giving you compliments and sex, she's on her best behavior for you, she's not flaking, she's fun to be with, why in the Hell would you want to ruin all that? And if you go and tell her you want to be in a relationship, she will quickly turn off the sex and turn on the *****y, disrespectful, flaky behavior followed by the LJBFs speech.
I agree with everything here.
 

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If you want to transition into a relationship, you don't need to ASK if she wants to be fully committed to one.

Just assume that you guys are IN a relationship. You can judge the daily actions. Are you guys holding hands when going out?

You don't need to unload all your emotions to be in a relationship bro.

Stick to your game plan, and you can still rock the relationship right.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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