"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Should high school and college kids avoid PUA?

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I am on Wordpress since I have a year old blog I rarely update but a few days ago I ran into this new blogger who came up on my Wordpress reader. Usually I would ignore new bloggers but I noticed that he gained a massive following in a short time.

Apparently the guy is a former Incel that over a year of trying things turned into a player. The guy talks about the importance of looks and style a lot on his blog.

Decided to give one of his posts a read and it attacked PUA and talked about why high school and college kids should avoid it. Surprisingly this is the first time someone has attacked PUA and I have agreed with them all the way. This post is just special and I feel like a lot of kids heading to college should give it a read.

http://formerlyincel.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/why-high-school-and-college-kids-must-avoid-pua/
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Depends on the size of the college I guess. DJ material will work in even a small college though. PUA misses the inner game and depedestalization aspect of being a DJ.
you "guess"?

dude if you are a don juan you have to be sure of yourself you can't guess
 

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Well, I would say that the core important lessons (take care of yourself, talk to people, put yourself out there, stop having this weird idea that women are untouchable) are good things to have. If you can instil in yourself a healthy outlook on male-female interactions and get over any awkwardness, that's probably all you need. College usually comes with a built-in social sphere and things to do, so you can ignore like 95% of PUA advice.

Of course there's exceptions. If it's a hardcore commuter school or you live alone far from campus, you may use some of the PUA material as a "crutch" at the beginning. But really, I would say 90% of the problems people have with women in their teens/early 20s are easily solved by just being social.

Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody in college has any idea what the **** they're doing. Everyone secretly thinks they are awkward as ****, you just don't notice.
 

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After taking a look at that site I have to disagree. For example, from my personal experience, negs are pretty useful. Most people just refer to it as teasing, and everybody does it. Its a natural thing the author seems to want to demonize. They don't make you look like a douche (granted you don't do it every five seconds), they make you seem normal.

As long as you're not overdoing it, a lot of pua stuff isn't all that bad.
I think the author just has a problem with pua and the sort.
 

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Eph said:
After taking a look at that site I have to disagree. For example, from my personal experience, negs are pretty useful. Most people just refer to it as teasing, and everybody does it. Its a natural thing the author seems to want to demonize. They don't make you look like a douche (granted you don't do it every five seconds), they make you seem normal.

As long as you're not overdoing it, a lot of pua stuff isn't all that bad.
I think the author just has a problem with pua and the sort.
I think you are being too partial towards PUA here. I like it but the author makes some strong points.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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"Should high school and college kids avoid PUA?"
Not necessarily... My first exposure to seduction was David Deangelo, and reading his e-newsletters. It occurred to me that a lot of his stuff is so basic, it should be taught to 8th graders. Men starting over after a bad divorce need a refresher, from page 1. It isn't enough to tell people to put themselves out there, you also need to empower them, so they feel good about getting out there. Much of PUA is really evolutionary psychology and David D gets into that, too; Lovesystems takes it a lot further.
I told a woman friend about studying PUA and said that the more I understand women, the more I understand myself... what women expect from me, and what I should expect from me.
 

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the author has an agenda

that stuff is only true if the following applies to you:

1. you go to a small school

2. you act like howard wolowitz(from the big bang theory) pre-bernadette about them(stereotypical creepy loser and no GF) and take your misunderstandings of these techniques to their logical extreme

3. somehow, SOMEWAY, all the girls you talk to find you SO EVENTFUL that they talk about you in detail with enough people for your rep to spread across THE ENTIRE CAMPUS
 

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Dunno, managed to develop a pretty solid inner game thanks to this site which has helped me greatly in college. In fact I credit all of my success to this site and personal experience.

I'd suggest it, give this a read.

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/213066
 

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Eh, blogger's reading into game the wrong way.

I learned game as I returned to college to finish my degree 3 years ago and I found it an awesome testing ground to hone my skill. There are few other places where you have such an easy opportunity to test your ideas and learn approaching. My peers were on average 8+ years younger than I and being a shameless horn dog served me fine.

Sure there were plenty of rejections but it's a numbers game, remember? If you feel awkward or creepy doing it, that's exactly how your going to come off.

Learning game is about developing your own game and owning it.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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