"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Short Men and Black Women in the same boat

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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My uncle is 5'4". He knows talls have an advantage. He has had a huge pipe though since we were all 13. He has way more than enough ladies. But to have a baby maybe they won't use him because of height? Not sure about that part.
 

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Fortunately there are many more variables.

Focusing on something specific like height is missing the forest for the trees. It's like comparing a balding man to a non-balding man. Is it preferable to have all your hair? Sure, but it isn't a death sentence, not by a long shot. We can point out many successful bald men as well as short men.

I'd rather be 5'5 and attractive than 6'1 and ugly any day.
 

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Where I live, we don't have a great many black families. Because they are such a minority, I've noticed the local black women are seen as exotic, and they don't seem to suffer any shortage of dates. They may have a hard time landing LTRs though. So I would be curious if they had problems with online dating here. I would tend to doubt it.
 

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zekko said:
Where I live, we don't have a great many black families. Because they are such a minority, I've noticed the local black women are seen as exotic, and they don't seem to suffer any shortage of dates. They may have a hard time landing LTRs though. So I would be curious if they had problems with online dating here. I would tend to doubt it.
Caucasian physical features in women represent the standard of beauty in the U.S. and many other countries. Black women are no doubt at the bottom of this hierarchy since they are the farthest from this standard.

They still have a demographic (mostly black men) that seek them out so although they aren't as popular among men as a whole they're not hurting either. They're women after all.

I've seen some very attractive black chicks but they did indeed have more typical Caucasoid features. I grew up in this environment so it has definitely influenced my preference in women.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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G_Govan said:
Fortunately there are many more variables.
^^^^

I've known plenty of tall, handsome guys with horrible game that only pulled fuglies.

I've also known short guys with solid game that swung WAY above their "social status."

I'm only 5'6" and I've NEVER even considered my height as a problem, and I've banged more than my share.

Bottom line is if YOU don't think your height is a problem, few other people will.
 
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G_Govan.

So if your preference was a tight physically capable atheletic bod that was somewhat slim with good skin but could perform and race was not an issue you would avoid "black" women?

Not sure how that could be done. I know also ontop of bod's we consider "castes" like the Indians. But many men here are making most of their choice based on an appearance and not the contents of her cranium.

Regards.

DLS
 

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A 5'8" stocky (or even fat) dude can often score more than a six foot skinny but toned guy because of the perceived dominance factor.

It's short PLUS skinny that's a big problem unless the guy has an exceptionally hot face or great skin tone, plus full hair.
 

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Mike32ct said:
A 5'8" stocky (or even fat) dude can often score more than a six foot skinny but toned guy because of the perceived dominance factor.

It's short PLUS skinny that's a big problem unless the guy has an exceptionally hot face or great skin tone, plus full hair.
Yeah, short + skinny = puny, basically, which is not a place that you want to be. It doesn't help that those kind of weak looking dudes are just the kind of guys that bigger bully types will go after and humiliate. Sometimes they will push those guys around just to impress some chick they like. Fact is, females are attracted to strength, it's part of wanting a Protector. The last thing they want is some little pvssy.

For that reason, as you mention above, often times a stocky, fat, or "husky" guy can succeed where the smaller, skinny guy cannot.
 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with the way black women look, it's just that they seem to put the least effort in of any group to be a desirable catch.

You see so many of them who are obese, uneducated, or have 4 kids by 4 different baby daddy's by the time they are like 25.

A black woman who is fit & takes pride in her appearance, has a good education, and has no illegitimate offspring can be very desirable.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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old married dude said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the way black women look, it's just that they seem to put the least effort in of any group to be a desirable catch.

You see so many of them who are obese, uneducated, or have 4 kids by 4 different baby daddy's by the time they are like 25.

A black woman who is fit & takes pride in her appearance, has a good education, and has no illegitimate offspring can be very desirable.
Just like any other "group", depends upon where you look. Each of the groups have these types of women.
 

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G_Govan.

So if your preference was a tight physically capable atheletic bod that was somewhat slim with good skin but could perform and race was not an issue you would avoid "black" women?

Not sure how that could be done. I know also ontop of bod's we consider "castes" like the Indians. But many men here are making most of their choice based on an appearance and not the contents of her cranium.

Regards.

DLS
Race is never an issue with me. I've seen beautiful women of all flavors.
 

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old married dude said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the way black women look, it's just that they seem to put the least effort in of any group to be a desirable catch.

You see so many of them who are obese, uneducated, or have 4 kids by 4 different baby daddy's by the time they are like 25.

A black woman who is fit & takes pride in her appearance, has a good education, and has no illegitimate offspring can be very desirable.
I don't think I can agree with the "effort" portion of your comment as far as being obese is concerned. Most people are fat in the U.S.

Take a look around next time you visit a grocery store, mall, movie theatre, etc. I count many more overweight people pretty much wherever I go.

If a woman is considered "hot" most men will chase her regardless of how many kids she has as a single mother. Having a committed relationship is something else however. Even then though, she'll have plenty of volunteers.

There is a hierarchy as far as what features are considered beautiful in women, particularly in white majority countries and if we're honest about it, black women are not on equal footing with other races.

I found this out as a young child. Relaxing hair and staying out of the sun didn't materialize in the black community from thin air.
 

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i've got to agree with old married dude for the most part.


You present me with a black woman who goes to the gym, who isn't a **** lol, who doesn't have a bunch of drama going on, who is feminine, and i would more times than not take the black girl over the white one. black women are sexy as **** when they put their **** together. And from my experience, on avg better in bed.


The probelm with black women as a whole for the most part is that they shun anything that is concisered "feminine" as "white" and won't "stoop to that level". I like women that were dresses and heels. black women = that's white. I don't, i will not date a woman of any race that does not perm her hair. I don't like the "natural" look at all. my mom refuses to let my sister get a perm becuase she doesn't want to "white wash her".


you have an entire subculture of women who don't dress up, don't doll up, who go out of their way to be as least feminine as possible and it's just not sexy or attractive. I have a female cousin who is jet black that everyone on this forum would rate at the very least an hb8. 5'10, long jet black hair, about 125 ish, works out, etc. i've dated some extremely cute black girls in my day. My last black GF was a knockout. But they are few and far between.
 

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DaddyLongShanks said:
My uncle is 5'4". He knows talls have an advantage. He has had a huge pipe though since we were all 13.
AIUI, Toulouse-Lautrec was called "The Teapot". :eek:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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MatureDJ said:
AIUI, Toulouse-Lautrec was called "The Teapot". :eek:
Uncle was called "brown trout". The myth was his flaccid would sometimes hit the water in certain toilets.
 
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