Shedding the Player Vibe with Brutal Honesty.

[RichardTheFrog]

I can tell a lot about a woman just from a picture.

The blonde is DTF. That's why she is showing her boobs and ranting about not wanting a ons.

She's also good at taking pictures of herself. I can tell she probably took a hundred to get those two shots where she looks the best. Weird angles and not showing her full body shape are red flags that she will look fatter when you see her in person. She's also really insecure about being seen as fat, too, so if she believes that you don't think of her that way, it will make it extra easy to fvck her.

This might be why I fail. I would look at her and see fat and redneck. I wouldn't take her personal feelings and psychology into account. I don't have time for that. I have a business to run.

But maybe you're telling me that girls have insecurities and I should play off them? I don't think I have the time, energy, or desire to figure this out.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I don't have time for that. I have a business to run..

At some point in growing your business, you are going to have to make a sale, even if it is just to sell an investor on the idea of letting you use their money. That won't be all that different than talking a woman out of her clothes. A lot of what you can learn about women can be applied to sales skills, and vice-versa.

To answer your question, everyone has insecurities that can expose them to being played, you and me included.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

At some point in growing your business, you are going to have to make a sale, even if it is just to sell an investor on the idea of letting you use their money. That won't be all that different than talking a woman out of her clothes. A lot of what you can learn about women can be applied to sales skills, and vice-versa.

To answer your question, everyone has insecurities that can expose them to being played, you and me included.

Currently, realtors put my house on the market and sell it for me.

I wonder what my insecurities are.

 

[BeExcellent]

Thank you @BeExcellent, not just for elaborating on the actual topic of the thread in a way that I probably never could have, but also for adding to it. I honestly don't think this particular blonde is the type of women you've outlined in your post, but we'll see.

I hope what I write next here isn't taken the wrong way by anyone, but I find it slightly amusing that so many guys (not all, of course), we're so easily sidetracked from the point of the discussion by a photo.

Yes, she's probably bitter from past experiences.
Yes, she is likely hiding a few extra pounds.
Yes, it is highly probable that she is not LTR material.
And yes, she's a ballpark 7 or so in looks on the scale of most men.

I never said she seems sweet/nice.
I never said she's thin and tight.
I never said she might be LTR material.
I never said this blonde was hot.

Yet this picture of a "7", as most of you claim, was enough to prevent many guys from staying on point and engaging in a discussion based on that point.

How are guys out there hitting up 8s and 9s, keeping their cool and applying all of this great theory if they are so easily pulled off-focus by the looks of a 7?

It shouldn't have mattered what girl I posted a picture of here. It's irrelevant.

Glad to be of service.

It's your rodeo. You're the only one with boots on the ground who is interacting with this woman and how she has responded to you thus far sounds like normal vetting but otherwise fine.

 

[guru1000]

She's probably not 102 pounds, but she doesn't strike me as fat either. But whatever. Not going to over-analyze it. Truth always comes out sooner or later. I'm not the type to put all of my eggs in one basket anyway.

Matched up with this one today and she sent a simple "hi" message. Haven't responded yet. Sometimes I just swipe right to see what kind of interest I'm getting. I get the impression her heart is as black as her hair. lol.

Men, direct your attention to the second pic, the brunette. Notice how her cheek bones are exaggerately prominent and there is a fluorescent shadow contouring her cheek bones, which is neither lighting nor makeup. Also notice her shimmering eye color. Her pic is photoshopped. Things to looks for when examining pics.

The girl in the first pic used a filter for her skin, but did not photoshop her facial aesthetics.

 

[guru1000]

So I respond: "OK. So what do you want to know about me? Ask away".

She immediately grills me on if I've ever been married, when was my last relationship, etc. and after my response, she then asks how long it has been since I split up with my ex.

I tell her over a year.

She then asks how long I've been single.

What the fvck, right?

At this point I consider cutting lose. 20 minutes goes by. I don't respond. She then messages:

"Nice chatting with ya! lol".

She wrote " Nice chatting with you" as she was eagerly waiting for your response, and those 20 minutes likely felt like 20 hours for her. Telltale sign of high interest.

A simple response, "Hey, I'm rarely on this site, give me your number and I will text you =)" would have served the same.

But you built more rapport with your response. Regardless, good job.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Men, direct your attention to the second pic, the brunette. Notice how her cheek bones are exaggerately prominent and there is a fluorescent shadow contouring her cheek bones, which is neither lighting nor makeup. Also notice her shimmering eye color. Her pic is photoshopped. Things to looks for when examining pics.

The girl in the first pic used a filter for her skin, but did not photoshop her facial aesthetics.

I thought the second one was a transvestite.

 

[guru1000]

I thought the second one was a transvestite.

Women's cheeks ideally appear soft and round. Her photoshopped cheeks appear high, hard, and angular like a man's (though too bulky); that's why the impression of a potential trans.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'm not sure of your intention of posting this, but it seems to me that she won the frame battle, at least of what you posted.

From a purely structural view, it appeared that she was asking you the questions, and you were responding. Then when she pulled back, you felt the need to justify yourself.

I can see how from her perspective, she attempted to get you to chase her, and you did. She pulled back, you followed, she rewarded you with more attention.

I don't care what she looks like, but some slippery slopes are good, others are not. Women are born ninjas into sucking men down slippery slopes.

Always have an exit plan.

 

[guru1000]

TO, on the surface, I see how it can appear that way. But in the context of most interactions, the deeper intention of the delivery is what truly sets the frame.

For example:

Girl (through direct or indirect delivery): I don't like it when you _______ --or-- I like it when you ____

Guru: Sure hon

On the surface, it appears as pandering, but if my intention were incongruent with my words; that is, I will do what I want regardless of the words I deliver, no frame is compromised. Rather, the deeper frame is enhanced.

E.g. the real Don Juan, Don Giovanni, the legendary, fictional libertine would subdue his prospects with overly gushy romantic overtones--giving them exactly what they wanted to hear--until they were seduced. And then he vanished.

Feed her "needs"--not wants--and you own the frame.