She wont give up 2nd base... Like the 9th date...

[Scorched]

I find myself being the one that likes the girl more than she likes me... Why? Because she won't give it up... She has that power over me... I usually gain/have access to my girlfriend's ***** 24/7... I'm about sick and tired of not being in control as much as I'd like... I'm seriously about to move on, cheat, or some ****...

As I go for 2nd base she'll always move my hand... I've tried to finger her each time since the 5th date... On like the 9th now... I had her down to her panties (me in my boxers) the other night and as I moved my pubic bone around on her **** she says "Don't tease"... I just stopped... I said, "What the fvck are you talking about? Don't Tease?" So I tried to finger her again like 10 minutes later, LETING HER KNOW I wanted more.... Boom she moves my hand...

Profile her if you can... I can't seem too as much as I'd like... We've been dating for a month. "In a relationship" for the past week 1/2...
She's 23 1/2, I just turned 22... The age thing doesn't seem to matter to her consciously. Besides I'm moved out with a guy I work with and she lives at home with her parents... (Although she's moved out before). She's hard to read, doesn't talk much, her mom is the same way, I havn't met her dad, but I have met her best friend (It all went very well)... After a month of dating she's met my family now... We have a **** load in common... She isn't super religious... I've only had 1 other girl not let me finger or **** and she was 18/super-christian/virgin... I've tried to be super shady and I've tried to be nice... The one thing that does work with her is being funny... But now I just feel like I am working for the ***** and she knows it...

The one thing I havn't been able to get her to talk about is her former relationship(s)... I'm going to try to get this information out of her...

I doubt its my game... I've had intercourse with 10 women, and done other stuff with more... And mind ****ed some where around 30 women (could have had sex with most of them)...

WHY WON'T SHE LET ME FINGER HER?
At first I came up with all these excuses for her...
"She really likes me so she's making me wait..."
"She was on her period..."
"Maybe she has a 3 month rule..."

I think I am going to confront her next time we are making out. If she moves my hand again as I go for 2nd base... I'm not sure what to say, I've never been in this situation... and that's my question... I was thinking some where on the lines of...
"Whats so bad about me fingering you?"
"I don't like having a relationship where we just make out..."
Please give me some ideas...

Thanks tons...

 

[wrender]

I'm not really sure why you want to finger her so badly. I think women prefer some cunillingus (sp?) in combo with the fingers. Fingering is so.... I dunno.... high school.

I had her down to her panties (me in my boxers) the other night and as I moved my pubic bone around on her **** she says "Don't tease"... I just stopped... I said, "What the fvck are you talking about? Don't Tease?" So I tried to finger her again like 10 minutes later, LETING HER KNOW I wanted more.... Boom she moves my hand...

Dude,... you took that comment way too seriously and personally. Every woman I've ever messed around with said things like that at first. You're supposed to ignore a statement like that and just continue to work your magic. Getting all upset like you did does nothing to help you accompish your goal here. No wonder she moved your hand away.

If fact, the statement "Don't Tease" tells you that you were doing well. She was being teased or enticed which is a good thing. my ******** translation for that would be "Don't entice me and turn me on so much becaue if you persist I just might give in"

I think you should try again with more intense foreplay and a better attitude. read: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16888 Check out the section on foreplay. In fact read the whole thing if you haven't already. If you do your best at getting her worked up, she should eventually submit. Perhaps work your way down there more gradually until she's practically begging for it. If she tries to move your hand, grab her hand, hold it and CONTINUE. Only stop if you get a definite "NO" because it's probably just the anit-slut defense at work here. But by no means should you get bent out of shape about this in her presense.

"Whats so bad about me fingering you?"
"I don't like having a relationship where we just make out..."

If she's really persistent about you not going there, then you could vent your frustrations. But I wouldn't do it in the way you are considering. Sounds like the beginning of an argument to me. Why not just say something like:

"You're so sweet and sexy, I can't help but get turned on when we kiss like that."

And no, that's not some AFC bull****. That's the way women need to be spoken to when they are in a vulnerable situation. Not ""What the fvck are you talking about?...". When it comes to sexual matters you must be able to keep your cool. When you blow up like that it shows your true colors. Now she knows you get mad when she won't put out. So you must be only after one thing (as far as she's concerned).

 

[KarmaSutra]

I'm not really sure why you want to finger her so badly. I think women prefer some cunillingus (sp?) in combo with the fingers.
Fingering is so.... I dunno.... high school.

I laughed so hard I damn near pissed myself (cunnilingus)

That said, Wrender is right. You need to step it up. She's toying with you, seeing how far she can push you and push your buttons.

Once you stop lavishing attention on her she'll change her tune. If not drop her ass.

 

[trance_addict]

Some girls dont even like it, so it could be that (maybe). Or it could just be another pu$$y sheild, which you should avoid falling victim to, in other words, don't ask about it, because that shows that your insecure about the situation. But I dont know the girl, so I don't know how she is. She could just be very moral.

I'd play it cool for a bit, don't let anything like that bother you, at least for now. Could be a test, could be not, but take the benefit of doubt and play it cool, see where things go.

 

[Scorched]

Wrender is right, I reacted wrong to fer comment "don't tease"...............
I've never had a girl say that to me and I was in a bad mood anyway...
But Wrender if she won't let me finger her, I AM NOT GOING to go down on her... PERIOD. Especially not this early in the relationship. She doesn't deserve that quite yet. I might tease her like I am going to though.

I laughed so hard I damn near pissed myself (cunnilingus)

That said, Wrender is right. You need to step it up. She's toying with you, seeing how far she can push you and push your buttons.

Once you stop lavishing attention on her she'll change her tune. If not drop her ass.

I agree... Testing hit the nail on the head for me... She has been testing me for real... Like little sh*t that I didn't notice at first... And now that I think of it she has been kinda testy... She needs to be reminded not to take me for granted. I acted shady on the last date, I'm going to continue, and if it fails then I'll really drop her ass...

I'm not quite sure on how to pass this test phase she's put up in front of me... Some advice would be nice, as suggested I'm not going to show her attention/affection. Although I will say I wasn't lavishing for it... I play my cards very well... I'm going to ignore her ass and make her call me/worry... Yesterday I made her pay for her own meal and then basically just sat in the cat and barley talked to her at all...

Thanks tons for the advice guys, seriously... Please continue to put me in my place even if its the cold hard dead truth...

 

[Bonhomme]

If fact, the statement "Don't Tease" tells you that you were doing well. She was being teased or enticed which is a good thing. my ******** translation for that would be "Don't entice me and turn me on so much becaue if you persist I just might give in"

Direct hit! :yes:

Keep teasing, but always back off if she says "no" or pulls your hand away.

One gal I was involved with very often said I was a "horrible tease," but loved it anyway. If anything, get more deliberate, and work the teasing more.

 

[Scorched]

Update...
I basically turned her down for our usual Tuesday hang out and told her "we'll prolly hang out Thursday"... Those are really the only times our schedules allow us to hang out... Sometimes on the weekend they do too though...

Over the 5 minute phone conversation I was being shady and being ****y, acting better than her... She reacted well... I kept it short and sweet... I've got my DJ mind set back and now. I know how to treat her. aka... I know how to keep her challenged... Just keep thinking she's just another girl... One of my major problems was I was too affectionate when we were alone... And I would always call her, she should call me sometimes though... I'm going to try to make that happen... But I would mostly call her 30 or 40 minutes AFTER she texted me toward the end of the night... "What's up"... I should be less predictable... That would also help keep her guessing/challenged...

Live and learn... My major weakness has always been keeping things interesting after the first 4 or 5 dates... This situation is allowing me to fix that...

 

[Scorched]

Once I stoped acting AFC and put the ball deep in my court I banged...

Home run...
As suggested I ate her out... Although I said I wouldn't...
Then put her hand on my...
Then said "rub my d*ck on your cl*t"
So she did and I banged...

She is the hardest egg I've had to crack... So I think I'll stay with her...

 

[wrender]

Right on bro! :woo:

 

[Scorched]

Right on bro! :woo:

well wrender, I'm in your debt...

thank you for taking time out of your day to give me advice...

by the way I used the tounge/finger combo as you suggested...

 

[mrRuckus]

Where the hell do girls get off turning anything down? Especially when they're claiming to be looking for a relationship. Is this crap the way they want to negotiate for something they want:

Some girls don't like to be go down on? That's just weird. Next.
Some girls don't like to kiss? This is how we have intimate bonding. Next.
Some girls don't like to give head? Easy: Next.
Some girls hold some past relationship over your head? Deal with your own issues. Next.
Some girls can't get off from straight up intercourse? That is no fun. Too bad for you natural selection screwed you. Next.
Some girls have some screwy notion that you're supposed to pay for everything? I didn't slave my way through college and daily behind a desk to give you the fruits of my labor. Next.
Some girls make you wait months to get sex? Wtf there's a bunch of girls that won't. Next.
She wants to dance with other guys and doesn't care that you don't want her to? Next.
She wants to continue to wh0re on myspace pretending like she's not being open to advances by men? Next.
She rarely arranges her schedule for you? Next.
She won't have sex as often as you want to? Dear god next.
She gets drunk 3 nights a week? Neexxxt.

Why put up with this crap? Now i'm not one of those people who cries "NEXT!!!" for every problem in a relationship but some things girls do when you meet them screams "i'm no good" or "i don't respect you" or "i don't respect myself" or "i have no qualities of a lady" or "i make my own rules" or "i'm all about me!" They think they're precious and all special but think about it. There are a ton of women that are more than willing to please or are flexible and accomodating and don't have daddy complexes or sexual deficiencies and large breasts so when you meet one that's going to have some stupid hang up just send her packing and slap her on the butt on the way out. Or do her while looking for another.

 

[Scorched]

mrRuckus I agree on the nexting rules...
But I wouldn't mind waiting around 2 months for a girl... Depends on the girl... In this case it was 6 weeks...
I was considering nexting this girl in the next week or so, but she gave it up...
I'm kinda glad she gave me a challenge/made me wait...
It brought back my spark and taught me a few very important lessons which are stated above.

 

[PRMoon]

When I'm with a girl who I suspect won't give it up or claims they won't give it up for quite sometime, I cut contact severely. I'm currently seeing one girl who told me after the second date that she won't have sex until she's in a relationship. I do know she gets frisky after she's had a few drinks though so the only case I'll go out with her is if she wants to go to the bar as I don't do relationships as she's described. Anyway I haven't asked her out in quite some time even though I see her around property at the MGM all the time (there's close to 2,000 employees on property alone) but don't really talk to her about going out or anything. Finally last week she was like "So are you going to ask me out again? I kinda miss you" To which I said "yeah i've been busy after work, I gotta busy social life ya know" she looked kind of dissapointed but honestly the though of me spending money with a girl who's not going to put out is enough for me not to care how she looks.

Yesterday she told me that she wants to go out and get trashed with me after sunday (she's got some tests and rough work till then). I have to weigh my options but I think I can press for a lay if I play my cards right. I figure the whole reason she's telling me that she wants to get drunk with me, some one who is notorious for taking girls home while drinking, is that she's pretty hard up for sex and knows I'm a good source, by reputation.

I think holding out on a girl in terms of socilizing in general will either get you where you want to be or be an unofficial NEXT. Either way you win out because you either get what you want or are divoting time to finding someone who will give you what you want.

 

[Credos]

Lol scorched :crackup:

You cannot believe what a déjà vu I'm having when I read your tread... I'm in a kind of same situation and made the same mistakes... Anyway I'm still working on things, but fixed most things that we had in common that was wrong so... anyway, just wanted you to know youre not alone. good luck with youre chick

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

LOL!

Tell me dude, how much time, effort, and money did it cost you? And what do you have to show for it after 9 dates besides a hole in your wallet?

LOOOL!!!


You are getting USED.:crackup:


And she is fvcking someone else on the side.

 

[Scorched]

Fvcking someone else on the side?
hmmmmm what makes you think that?
You should really support such a claim... Because when you don't, I think you are just releasing negative energy or being a d*ck...
I'm guessing you only read the first post. Because The date after that I actually got laid...

I'm not going to make up excuses for the girl, but I will state why it took me so long to get in her pants, and why she isn't cheating on me...

First of all she has paid for a few of her meals... If I ask the girl out I am going to pay for the meal... I even tell the girl that...

Maybe this girl has been hurt or ****ed and thrown away? She didn't want to give it up quick... She's 23... Once I started acting shady and busy she came off it... I don't blame her... Now she knows where we stand...

You might have a point because she's only in town 2 days out of the week for college, but I get her here on most Saturdays... I live in Nashville TN and she lives in a small red neck town about an hour out... All the alpha males there aren’t **** compared to me... She hates the town and she is from the north so she doesn't like red neck guys... But Call_Me_Daddy you make me think I need to meet her family... If she won't let me meet them or they give me weird looks then I know something is up... And I have only met her mom and best friend... I've spoken to some of her family on the phone though, they wanna meet me and tell me to treat her nice... She always picks up the phone when I call and she never bull****s me... She doesn't get random calls or texts and go in the bath room to answer them... I've been cheated on once while I was in a LTR so I can pick up on it quick...

As stated in a previous post, I needed a challenge, I'm about sick of getting ass/access to it

I'm actually talking to another girl so maybe karma is a b*tch? HA! If I find out I am getting played then I'll try to establish some type of **** buddy relationship... Which will be complicated to say the least...

Wow, Call_Me_Daddy you got me to type a lot... I'm the type of person who analyzes every situation with great detail... Plus you got my blood pumping at first... I thought I missed something...

 

[Hitman10000]

"I doubt its my game... I've had intercourse with 10 women, and done other stuff with more... And mind ****ed some where around 30 women (could have had sex with most of them)..."

10 women? dated 30 women? Don't f*cking lie to me. It is your game, it's all wrong for those type of girl. This girl sounds like the type that wants total trust/intimacy before she opens up sexually to you. But then again, you should know that because you claimed you slept with 10 women. (Right.)

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Fvcking someone else on the side?
hmmmmm what makes you think that?

If you're not getting it, someone else is.

You should really support such a claim... Because when you don't, I think you are just releasing negative energy or being a d*ck...

Welcome to reality. The truth bites sometimes. And I am a d*ck, thank you very much, but I always say what I'm thinking and what I believe is true. If that bothers you, don't respond to my posts and live in your own fantasy land.

I'm guessing you only read the first post. Because The date after that I actually got laid...

Seems very pricy to me. You basically had to court the girl and lavish her in attention and money. What did she do to deserve this from you? Does she even deserve it at all?

If I ask the girl out I am going to pay for the meal... I even tell the girl that...

Why tell her at all? She assumes you will anyway.

Maybe this girl has been hurt or ****ed and thrown away? She didn't want to give it up quick...

Uh oh! Watch out for the baggage!

Also, she loves the attention from you. Why would she want to give it up so soon? The more she holds out, the more attention and fun and money she gets lavished upon her without her having to do a DAMN THING!

But Call_Me_Daddy you make me think I need to meet her family... If she won't let me meet them or they give me weird looks then I know something is up... And I have only met her mom and best friend... I've spoken to some of her family on the phone though,

So I take it you're exclusive now?

If I find out I am getting played then I'll try to establish some type of **** buddy relationship... Which will be complicated to say the least...

A f*ck buddy usually means you have sex.... alot. Not once every two months after spending countless hours and bills on her.

Wow, Call_Me_Daddy you got me to type a lot... I'm the type of person who analyzes every situation with great detail... Plus you got my blood pumping at first... I thought I missed something...

Just trying to help you out. If you want to keep spending lots of money and time for a 'lil bit of tail here and there... god luck on that. Doesn't seem like you're getting all that high rate of return for the efforts you put forth.

I personally, wouldn't put that much effort into a chick that I just met. Doesn't seem right. Her getting my undivided attention.. for what? Is she special? No. If she wants special treatment, she has to work for it and to deserve it. Until then, just another broad who thinks she is unique just like everyone else.

 

[GatorBait]

"I doubt its my game... I've had intercourse with 10 women, and done other stuff with more... And mind ****ed some where around 30 women (could have had sex with most of them)..."

10 women? dated 30 women? Don't f*cking lie to me. It is your game, it's all wrong for those type of girl. This girl sounds like the type that wants total trust/intimacy before she opens up sexually to you. But then again, you should know that because you claimed you slept with 10 women. (Right.)

10 isn't a lot at 22 years old. Hell, as long as you are decently attractive and have some game, you could sleep with 10 girls in your freshman year of college without putting in much effort.

 

[bearfan34201]

Is it different that all I've gotten from this girl is a bunch of pecks and a little make out session, cuddling and all that.

I've only known her for like 2 weeks or 3. and we're not dating.

and shes a jr in highschool. So is it not a big deal that I havent been getting "any"?