Hello Friend,

If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.

It will be the most efficient use of your time.

And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.

Thank you for visiting and have a great day!

She wants a second public date before coming to my place.

King Lion

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Messages
209
Reaction score
204
Age
50

TheNewStyle123

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 10, 2020
Messages
329
Reaction score
260
If I was truly interested in an LTR or more with this chick I think @Hank Moody makes a great point. However, I was so turned off by the end of the night with her making me feel like I did something wrong for escalating things when:

1.) She mentioned sex the whole night and the fact that "My ex only ate me out like 5 times during our whole relationship", and other sh!t like that

2.) She continued to escalate physically with me, but would then pull back every time. When I would stop, she would then initiate things again (grabbing me, pulling me in, etc.), but would yet again back off if I escalated further.

3.) She begged to come to my place, alone, bringing alcohol for our third date before our second date was even over...

This girl has some other yellow flags I didn't mention in the story, but she seems pretty affluent and used to getting her way and controlling men. I could be jaded from my experience. But I have other girls on my radar who are actually submissive and fun to be around.
 

Hank Moody

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 18, 2021
Messages
976
Reaction score
1,043
If I was truly interested in an LTR or more with this chick I think @Hank Moody makes a great point. However, I was so turned off by the end of the night with her making me feel like I did something wrong for escalating things when:

1.) She mentioned sex the whole night and the fact that "My ex only ate me out like 5 times during our whole relationship", and other sh!t like that

2.) She continued to escalate physically with me, but would then pull back every time. When I would stop, she would then initiate things again (grabbing me, pulling me in, etc.), but would yet again back off if I escalated further.

3.) She begged to come to my place, alone, bringing alcohol for our third date before our second date was even over...

This girl has some other yellow flags I didn't mention in the story, but she seems pretty affluent and used to getting her way and controlling men. I could be jaded from my experience. But I have other girls on my radar who are actually submissive and fun to be around.
Respect. Fair enough.
 

image

"If you love women, you must read the SoSuave Guide to Women. It's fantastic!"

derby1

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 10, 2017
Messages
1,927
Reaction score
1,763
Age
38
1.) She mentioned sex the whole night and the fact that "My ex only ate me out like 5 times during our whole relationship", and other sh!t like that
Dont you just love how they have the worst conversation skills, yet will ghost you over a stray eyebrow
 

Pan87

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
830
Reaction score
1,452
Age
33
Updates:

Went to her place to start the date. Kissed her a little when I first walked in but definitely wasn't the right "mood" to just start banging. She showed me her place a little bit then we went to pick up wine. She bought us the wine to bring to the BYOB Italian place. We got there, great conversation, good kino, and she made a lot of references to being 'naughty', 'really attracted to me', and 'good thing we didn't go to my place because she probably would of done something she shouldn't do on a second date..."

In my eyes, that was a green light to try to fuuck. At the end of the date she also suggested bringing the last bottle of wine back to her place. Bingo.

We got there, had a glass, escalated immediately.... and nothing. We were making out a lot, along with a lot of other foreplay - but every time I would get close to getting her clothes off she would bring up that she "doesn't want me to just want her physically", or "I know what all guys expect on the first/second date." She wasn't bitchyy about it though, and honestly even just the foreplay I had with her was incredible and telling of how she will probably be in bed. At some point she said "I have never been this turned on or wet with anyone in my life. You're making me want to do bad things. Do you know how sexy you are?"

Instead of taking the compliments and feeling buttered up, I thought of a lot of lessons from here. Her actions speak louder than words. If all was true, why wouldn't we be fuucking already?

I really don't think this girl is over prude or not worth it - she seems pretty genuine and I'm sure that she will be a really good buck. We have plans to hang out this weekend (she was practically begging me to come over to my place at the end of the date), and I'm sure we will buck then. If nothing happens this weekend then I can only assume she is a tease - but I'm not getting those vibes. Based on conversations we had, I think she has been burned by guys in the past like this and her anti-slut defenses are WAY high. But she is an HB 7.5-8 (she looked even better last night than date one), good career, intelligent, and lot's of hobbies/talents so she's no dummy.

I'll update you guys on our weekend date, but I have a good feeling I'll get a lay.
I picked it. I knew she'd turn you into an orbiter.
 

Pan87

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
830
Reaction score
1,452
Age
33
Don't listen to any simp's advice!

You cooked her dinner and got b*tch slapped for your trouble - That's all you need to know!
This. Cooking for a girl that you haven't banged yet is way too much investment. It just makes you look needy and low value in her eyes. Same rules apply for taking a girl to a restaurant.

Eating with a girl is a girlfriend privilege. She gets a coffee or a drink max pre-bang.
 

2Rocky

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 13, 2016
Messages
747
Reaction score
687
Age
47
This. Cooking for a girl that you haven't banged yet is way too much investment. It just makes you look needy and low value in her eyes. Same rules apply for taking a girl to a restaurant.

Eating with a girl is a girlfriend privilege. She gets a coffee or a drink max pre-bang.

Thou (both) doth protest too much...
 
Last edited:

Pan87

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
830
Reaction score
1,452
Age
33
If I was truly interested in an LTR or more with this chick I think @Hank Moody makes a great point. However, I was so turned off by the end of the night with her making me feel like I did something wrong for escalating things when:

1.) She mentioned sex the whole night and the fact that "My ex only ate me out like 5 times during our whole relationship", and other sh!t like that

2.) She continued to escalate physically with me, but would then pull back every time. When I would stop, she would then initiate things again (grabbing me, pulling me in, etc.), but would yet again back off if I escalated further.

3.) She begged to come to my place, alone, bringing alcohol for our third date before our second date was even over...

This girl has some other yellow flags I didn't mention in the story, but she seems pretty affluent and used to getting her way and controlling men. I could be jaded from my experience. But I have other girls on my radar who are actually submissive and fun to be around.
It's pretty simple really. You let her set the frame in the hopes that she would reward you with sex, and this turned her off.

All of the fake rules she set were sh!t tests that you failed. If you let a girl plan the dates, then this is what typically happens. Women hate leading.

You essentially tried to implement a covert contract with her i.e. "If I follow her rules, and cook for her then she will reward me with sex" - Women are not stupid. This kind of transactional behavior is beta and instinctively turns a woman off.

I only know this because I've experienced it myself.

It's far better if you set the rules, and if she doesn't comply, then you walk away.
 

TheNewStyle123

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 10, 2020
Messages
329
Reaction score
260
It's pretty simple really. You let her set the frame in the hopes that she would reward you with sex, and this turned her off.

All of the fake rules she set were sh!t tests that you failed. If you let a girl plan the dates, then this is what typically happens. Women hate leading.

You essentially tried to implement a covert contract with her i.e. "If I follow her rules, and cook for her then she will reward me with sex" - Women are not stupid. This kind of transactional behavior is beta and instinctively turns a woman off.

I only know this because I've experienced it myself.

It's far better if you set the rules, and if she doesn't comply, then you walk away.
Yeah man. You really called it and you're so right. I now see the mistakes I made on this date. Definitely some huge beta behavior in there on my part - but a great learning experience for next time!
 

image

Put away your credit card.

You can now read our detailed guide to women and dating for free - Right Here!

Top