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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
depends on what kind of knowledge you are after.Danger said:And we can't live if we are too afraid to die.
Curiosity also gives us knowledge.
Let's not shame men for asking questions, but rather let's ask and learn as is the intent of this site.
As for the right way to handle it. Rollo as usual has some fantastic advice.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
I'll rephrase: female 'contacts'.nismo-4 said:Order! Order!
The OP shouldn't hold his breath for this. What, the OP should be some beta orbiter? If a woman tries to friendzone you, you have failed.
OP, of course this woman is avoiding you because she lost a potential emotional tampon/ beta orbiter/ shoulder to cry on. Never be friends first or friends with a woman you want to bang.
Case closed.
That is why I asked if you guys have similar experiences (do you remember my first post?)sylvester the cat said:he is asking strangers on the internet about the inner workings of a girl's mind who we have never met.
he can ask us until the cows come home and he can get inductive theories from Casanova himself but unless she tells him herself he will never know.
yes. i do have similar experiences. not a day goes by that i don't interact with people whose behaviour i cannot fathom and if i spent my days trying to figure them out or what makes them tick i'd get nothing done.joker79 said:That is why I asked if you guys have similar experiences (do you remember my first post?)
i did not say questions lead to oneitis. i said 'such' questions.Danger said:And yet, here we are, all strange men discussing strange women, pontificating upon women on the internet. Strange how that can still give great advice and knowledge, such as Rollo's great advice. Do you think he has one-itis?
Lastly, questions do not lead to one-itis. Lack of options do. Mr dumber than dog$hit. But hey, keep being an idiot and not trying to figure $hit out. It makes for getting so so far in life.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
You dont care yet you acted like a baby about this, and were thinking about this crap for a year? lol ok.joker79 said:Guys, just to clarify: I don't give a **** about her (unless she wants to become a fb). I was just curious about the psychology behind her behaviour.
not necessarily. a man could have a whole harem of girls but be obsessing about this one girl who is not giving him attention. the question 'why is she not giving me attention?' without getting answers could lead to an obsession aka oneitis.Danger said:"such questions" are a subset of questions.
So my statement still applies. Questions do not lead to one-itis. Lack of options leads to one-itis.
Learn to communicate and maybe you will have an easier time in life.
asking questions in order to understand women? absolutely.Danger said:But you recognize that the lack of options is the root cause, not the asking questions.
This entire forum is predicated on asking questions about girls and why they do what they do. It doesn't mean that every question is derived from one-itis or develops one-itis.
If we are to impact women, then first we must understand them. That means we should never stop asking questions which we do not know the answer to.
It isn't the question itself that is damaging, it is the lack of options at the root. Misdiagnosing this and stopping the asking of questions as a result will only lead to ignorance moreso than creation of one-itis.
To put it another way......
If we tell men to not ask such questions for fear of one-it is, we get a FULL 100% population of ignorant men on the subject.
If we tell men they should ask questions, even if somehow it did lead to one-it is (which it doesn't), that means we would still trade a full population of educated men for a small number of one-itis victims.
That's a good trade.
@Sylvster: I kind of agree with your analysis. Regarding the "options" topic I've got 3 plates spinning (one pretty seriously I'd say) therefore it's definitely not lack of options. What I could say is that the options I've got now are not as attractive as the girl I'm talking about. That goes back to my self-esteem I suppose and the ability to attract chicks as attractive as she is. And, to a certain extent, knowing that she 's butthurt would make me feel better as this would be the proof that she's regretting it. That said, I think we're overcomplicating the problem. Either I ask and get an answer or I stop asking myself stupid questions.sylvester the cat said:asking questions in order to understand women? absolutely.
asking why a girl who i rejected her attempt to friendzone me is not talking to me one year on? i would have to question why i'm asking that question. and the answer to that question would most probably lead to the answer that OP doesn't want to hear. he does care. and he does have oneitis. and as the girl in question is not an option as a plate he does need to address the issue. and the first thing he would need to do is to stop asking why she is not talking to him and go seek other options.
lol. you mad?Danger said:Sylvester, I agree with you of what you say.
Did it never occur to you that one should know so you can better understand the impact and improve the response should a girl give the LJBF again?
Continuous improvement, everywhere. That means asking questions.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
well, you said it joker. your sense of balance and well-being according to what you just said is dependent on this girl's being butthurt and regretful which is not coming from a very powerful place.joker79 said:And, to a certain extent, knowing that she 's butthurt would make me feel better as this would be the proof that she's regretting it. That said, I think we're overcomplicating the problem. Either I ask and get an answer or I stop asking myself stupid questions.
What is there to know here that you don't already know? She LJBFded him and he said no. What other reason could there be for her to be ignoring him bearing in mind that was a year ago. Had he said yes to her kind offer of friendship then he might have cause for question.Danger said:Why would I be mad?
If I were in his shoes, I would want to know WHY she behaved the way she did after I rejected the LJBF so that I could improve upon my actions and leverage it appropriately.
Why? An improper LJBF can damage your reputation, especially if she is propogating bad information about him, c0ckblocking him preemptively, etc.
I see your point and whilst I agree with everything you and Rollo say about the situation (although it merely amplifies what is already suspected - that she is ignoring him because he rejected her LJBF offer), my point was that her behavior wasn't a direct reaction from his LJBF rejection. He already stated that that event occurred a year ago. It would be interesting to know how her behavior was from when he rejected her up until she started ignoring him a year later.Danger said:If you had read my earlier post here, and the link, you would understand what else there is to know.
WHY she acted like she did. Which is exactly the question the OP asked.
The answer comes courtesy of Rollo Tomassi:
You are asking the wrong questions.
The real question is, why did she act as she did. I provided the answer, and the suggestion as to how to respond to the LJBF statement.
You are telling him to stop thinking about her. That is fine, but it doesn't answer his question, nor does it get to the root of the issue.
- While you are telling her that it doesn't matter and he should just not think about her (giving him a fish).....
- I am telling him WHY she responded as she did, and what to say for future LJBFs so as to not create damage with a woman who can still impact his future (teach him to fish).
I am all for not thinking about a girl, however, not if it means being in perpetual ignorance and unable to respond appropriately to the same situation if it comes up with a future prospect.
dialectics.Danger said:My impression was that she has ignored him for a year and that he was surprised it lasted so long.
I think she is ignoring based on how he rejected the LJBF. I also suspect that he did that rejection based on a belief it would "change her mind". Which as You and I both know is not the purpose of rejecting the LJBF.
I understand this point. And this is why I think he rejected the LJBF the way he did, in the hopes that she would change her mind. It is for this reason I believe he needed to better understand the mechanics behind the LJBF and how to best counter it. Not to generate attraction or a change of mind of course, but so as to not allow future damage due to her "butt-hurtedness".
Unfortunately he did not have the long-term perspective to see how it would play out. Hopefully Rollo's discussion on the topic will help him in the future.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.