She said she need more time because that create stable relationship

[EmotionalGeek]

I met girl in the club. We spent few hours together it was fun. Few days later first date some touching but no kissing. Next date touching and kissing. Undressed her except panties. Next date same as date before. She did not let me touch her poossy. She said that she is not like the other girls (major bull**** of course) and that she want more time because it creates better relationship. I didn't know how to answer so I just told her it's not true and stopped to kiss her or touch. I just lain beside her (Mystery calls this freezer). After a while she started to kiss me. Since she reinitiated I also started to show affection and tried to take her panties off. Again with no results. I did froze her again but after a while she said it's late so I took her home. When I stopped in front of her house she waited for the kiss. I gave her 3 second kiss and withdrew. She immediately grab my face and pulled for the kiss. So I think she is interested but do not want to turn to be sloot.

Is there some good counter to her not wanting to take her panties off?

 

[CMNILS87]

Mega game player, this one

Agreed. Chicks get naked on the bed and totally slitting it up, but wait we can't have sex because I want a relationship. It's like ***** plz....you're on my bed naked after 2 dates max and you're giving me this bull****. Freeze her ass out and then kick her out. I'd straight up tell her I'm too old for bull**** games. No more fun, no more sex.

But really, she probsbly wanted to have sex, the slut the defense was just super high or she's got a few other orbiters she's stringing along.

 

[Von]

Looks like she's right about you

You'll phase out after the deed.

Why don't you reassure her? It might help her to let it go... since she's already on your bed naked.

 

[EmotionalGeek]

Looks like she's right about you

You'll phase out after the deed.

Why don't you reassure her? It might help her to let it go... since she's already on your bed naked.

Cause everyone says that man should not discuss relationship before sex and because I didn't want to look needy. What do you thing would be right thing to say?

I often have a problem because I do not know if I should chase or chill out.

 

[icantgetlaid]

That's sh1t test/bad behavior. You end the date and dont invest in the chase anymore. Spin plates, and let her come to you. If she doesn't? good riddance.

 

[CMNILS87]

Here's what you do.
1. Tell her you're going on a date, and she drives over to your place then you'll take off from there.
2. Have som drinks ready and watch some tv before going out.
3. She's already comfy being tits out in front of you. You need to build that comfort more. Turn up the physical and just go in for some kissing and such. Get her super turned on and then freeze her out and then go out for a bit. This way you have her attention and she's thinking about sex. You don't have to say a word about sex during the date, just be a tease.
4. Return home for a hot BJ and/or sex.
5. If you can't close this after date 3/4 by doing this, she's ****ing with you

Beat her at her own game

 

[EmotionalGeek]

Here's what you do.
1. Tell her you're going on a date, and she drives over to your place then you'll take off from there.
2. Have som drinks ready and watch some tv before going out.
3. She's already comfy being tits out in front of you. You need to build that comfort more. Turn up the physical and just go in for some kissing and such. Get her super turned on and then freeze her out and then go out for a bit. This way you have her attention and she's thinking about sex. You don't have to say a word about sex during the date, just be a tease.
4. Return home for a hot BJ and/or sex.
5. If you can't close this after date 3/4 by doing this, she's ****ing with you

Beat her at her own game

That is exactly what I was doing on 2nd date except I was driving (she does not own a car). Same on 3rd date except that she initiated date and no alcohol -- I told her it will be short meeting and I had to drive her home soon so could not drink.

 

[fastlife]

Hard next (for me). You are her Potential Provider, not the exciting guy she has hot sex with. I still fall into this trap sometimes--but if I get a girl by herself in the sex location and she's putting up more than token resistance, then I know I'm not what she's looking for & she's probably not what I'm looking for either.

You could try putting her on ice until she reaches out, to communicate all that, but chances are you won't here back from this one once she realizes you're not provider material. How old is she btw?

 

[EmotionalGeek]

Hard next (for me). You are her Potential Provider, not the exciting guy she has hot sex with. I still fall into this trap sometimes--but if I get a girl by herself in the sex location and she's putting up more than token resistance, then I know I'm not what she's looking for & she's probably not what I'm looking for either.

You could try putting her on ice until she reaches out, to communicate all that, but chances are you won't here back from this one once she realizes you're not provider material. How old is she btw?

she is 33. I think she generally looks for boyfriend. She broke up 3 months ago. I wanted her as FWB but if I tell it she will be gone.

 

[bigneil]

There are some bad signs here. OP is failing to turn her on when he has the chance. Needs to learn more about foot massages and oral sex.

All hope is not lost though.

This reminds me of my then 31 year old Russian girl when I first moved in. 12 days of blue balls but she was obviously interested. Once she submitted I owned her (still own her).

I would be letting her do all of the initiating from now on, and only texting to ask her out.

 

[EmotionalGeek]

There are some bad signs here. OP is failing to turn her on when he has the chance. Needs to learn more about foot massages and oral sex.

All hope is not lost though.

This reminds me of my then 31 year old Russian girl when I first moved in. 12 days of blue balls but she was obviously interested. Once she submitted I owned her (still own her).

I would be letting her do all of the initiating from now on, and only texting to ask her out.

I did turn her on especially when I put her hand on my hard tool. Even though she was horny she was keeping her thights shut.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Unless she's a virgin who is just scared of that first time, odds are she won't let you touch her like that because she knows once you get her going all of that solid foundation talk will go right out the window and she'll give in.

If you're trying to go hand straight down the panties, that gives her a hard signal to initiate the cut off. You might do better using something else as a buffer just to get things started. Use a blanket as a buffer or some object that you can use to start rubbing her out with over the panties. It's a slight step closer but not quite as intrusive. She may let that slide.

Once you get there, you've got to get her going and into it. Look for signs like her hips starting to move into a groove or a change in her breathing. If you can get her to that point, she may not have the self-discipline to cut-off as you slowly begin to remove those obstacles/buffers.

Bro. Please listen to this.