"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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She leaves you dangling..

pikachu69

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you guys must have had these sorts of messages before, one of my plates i've hooked up with, made out, fooled around, hand job still no sex i've tried to turn into a relationship and messed up.

i thought i was back in there a few days ago but she's sending me friendzone messages so i said f it and just laid it down that i was going to stop pursuing her (i know you are suppose to do it, not say it).

she didn't respond until yesterday with some BS msg of 'hey im very busy lately, i'll catch up with you soon.'

she could have easily have ignored my message completely but she feels compelled to always eventuall reply even with some BS message not answering my original message of meeting up. i'm gona punish her for this with my silence. though i dont want to get into ignoring games with her. just make her realize that i've moved on and that she wont get my attention at all, at most a few word text a day later.

when girls leave you dangling like this they want you to contact them in future to validate and reassure them they can still have you any time.. how long does it take for them to realize that you're not going to contact them again? (especially if you usually contact them at least once a week minimum)

do you think 2 weeks she'll cave in?

p.s. i know, move on forget about her that's what im doing.. but i know what she's like and i know i can get some IF we meet up again. im not being friendzoned.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Man, man, oh man... So many wrong things here...



"she could have easily have ignored my message completely but she feels compelled to always eventuall reply even with some BS message not answering my original message of meeting up."

Or maybe she just wants to keep you interested for attention whoring or something else in the future, since she is busy with something/someone else right now!



"i'm gona punish her for this with my silence. though i dont want to get into ignoring games with her. just make her realize that i've moved on and that she wont get my attention at all, at most a few word text a day later."

You ain't punishing no one with your silence! The No Contact is not for punish, it's for you to understand some things and give her time to understand some other! If you two do, things will turn great, for example you have to understand that you are becoming frustrated here for no reason! Punish her? Since she won't attract any of your attention and you moved on as you want to say, WHY DO YOU STILL CARE ABOUT WHAT SHE THINKS, BELIEVES etc?


"when girls leave you dangling like this they want you to contact them in future to validate and reassure them they can still have you any time.. how long does it take for them to realize that you're not going to contact them again? (especially if you usually contact them at least once a week minimum)"

You want her to believe that you will no contact her again, but you will! Why? You are supposed to go no contact for you firstly, it's not a plan for anything actually!


"p.s. i know, move on forget about her that's what im doing.. but i know what she's like and i know i can get some IF we meet up again. im not being friendzoned."

You are not moving on or forgeting! You'll soon realize it's boring/tiring/useless going after ex-whaetever while there are so many women out there! With your behavior you just validate and reassure her she can still have you any time!
 

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this is what i dont understand, attention seeking girls will instead of ignoring you send you a msg like the 1 above to get you to chase to validate them.. if you dont chase and dont contact them again will they go out of their way to contact you?

i mean, would they even notice you haven't contacted them? (they dont care, they're probably onto the next guy that stimulates their feelings)

i can only think if there are certain reminders say on the news that relates to you or if you're lucky to have a name beginning with a like Aaron and you're top of their phone book, they'll notice after a while you haven't contacted and i assume send you a message of how are you? just to see if they still got you.

that i assume give you an in, to get back in there if you play it right.

usually what happens next is if you play it cool she'll realize you're not chasing and maybe a week later will trick you by saying 'what you up to tonight?' making you think she's looking to meet.. see i normally fail on this question assuming they want to meet.

if i was to say 'got a couple options open haven't decided what im gona do, may just chill. yourself?'

danger is she may not reply cos you're not suppose to give away that you're staying, so she can go out and live freely withotu worries u dont want her anymore.

obviously if she says 'oh im gona chill too..' then the danger is you may suggest to meet up, and she may be down agrees then never responds to your message of what time you're coming like 'i'll be there at 8' she'll know in her mind she's got you again.

i think it might be better to just be like 'got a couple things open, haven't decided what im gona do yet, gona wait and see if i get a better offer first before deciding'

not sure 'options' is the best phrase as it sounds like other girls especially if you've mentioned girls as 'options' before.
 

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women that leave me dangling don't earn further access to my time and attention

instead, i give her date invitation to the next girl on my list
 

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Yeah, if she plays too many games, she gets nexted. Though I'm kind of a sadist, and I'll proceed to fcuk with them. Stand them up, talk to her friends etc. etc.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Lord Shinra said:
Yeah, if she plays too many games, she gets nexted. Though I'm kind of a sadist, and I'll proceed to fcuk with them. Stand them up, talk to her friends etc. etc.
hell yeah

I think every guy should stand up a chick who has given him difficulties.

Do it at least once just to see what it feels like!

"Nothing spikes her interest quite like refusing to have anything to do with her"
 
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