"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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She has ALL guy friends.. she drinks & smokes more than I do.. should I care?

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Quick question for you guys.

I'm currently spinning plates, and one of the plates I'm messing with has a lot of the "warning signs" I have seen a lot of guys on this forum say they would never pursue. Here's the list...

The girl I'm currently dating:

(1) Has ALL guy friends (ok, she technically has ONE female friend... but her one female friend is such a manly-woman that I refuse to give her "girl" status simply for having a p*ssy... I could swear I saw a 5 o'clock shadow on her friend's face the last time I saw her).

(2) Drinks at least 6 large bottles of beer every night. I drink every few days and not usually more than 3 bottles. She also smokes like a chimney.. 2 or 3 packs per day. I don't smoke. Ever.

(3) Is more sexually experienced than I am. Like, WAY more. That in itself didn't seem like an issue to me until we once talked about our views of marriage and she mentioned that she doesn't know if she could ever see herself "having sex with just one person" for the rest of her life. I don't necessarily disagree with her viewpoint, but I've never met a female who would word it quite like that... that's something a guy would normally say.

(4) Talks with other guys a LOT when I'm around. I live in a Middle Eastern country where, if natives see foreign girls (the girl I'm seeing was born & raised in France), they'll hit on them immediately because they're believed to be easy lays (which they generally are, relative to girls who are actually from this country). They even do it if the foreign girl is with a guy... they're pretty shameless here. On dates, though, even when a 55-year-old man with rotting brown teeth comes to our table to talk with us, she'll talk for a long time and give the guy whatever contact information he eventually asks her for... phone number, email, facebook... normally all three. I know she loves being able to practice speaking Arabic--her father is from this country--but it's become a tad ridiculous.

I know it's ultimately my decision as to whether or not I keep seeing this girl... however, I don't want to repeat other guys' mistakes by not taking the abovementioned warning signs seriously enough. Can someone tell me what I should expect from a girl like this later down the road if things were to get more serious?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Warrior74

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Yeah OK said:
I know it's ultimately my decision as to whether or not I keep seeing this girl... however, I don't want to repeat other guys' mistakes by not taking the abovementioned warning signs seriously enough. Can someone tell me what I should expect from a girl like this later down the road if things were to get more serious?
How can you put " not taking the abovementioned warning signs not seriously enough" and then "down the road" and "more serious" in the same paragraph?

This girl is only good to bang, she's not relationship material. And since you are already thinking that way (down the road? really?)...you shouldn't even bang her. Your not cold hearted enough to do what needs to be done here so just back away from the girl and let someone else deal with it.
 

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Make sure she have HIV and a child from a previous marriage.
Seriously i think this is beyond any reasonable limit even if she looks like a top model.
 

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What are you hoping to hear from people here? That it is OK date her? And what happened to all the other "plates" that you're "spinning"? Are they all the same as this girl? If so, you need to reconfigure yourself.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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This is a straight up broke a$$ b!tch.

There's girls you fvck and then there's girls you date. This girl has no more value than the tissue I use to wipe my jizz after I'm done whacking it.
 

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NO you shouldn't care-treat her like a free "hooker". Get your rocks off and get out. IF you even THINK you will develope feelings-RUN. She's going to be a fat,wrinkled old hag who will cheat on you. She's ALREADY disrespecting you by giving out phone numbers in front of you. Who knows what she's doing when you aren't with her.

Basically, whenever you aren't busting a nut in her[talking,dinners etc];you are wasting time you could use to find a better girl
 

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amoka said:
What are you hoping to hear from people here? That it is OK date her? And what happened to all the other "plates" that you're "spinning"? Are they all the same as this girl? If so, you need to reconfigure yourself.
I actually wanted to get a more educated opinion about this girl... all my friends absolutely LOVE this girl to death and tell me I should get more serious about her. They think we'd make the "perfect couple." I still can't understand their reasoning, especially given what I originally posted about this girl's bad habits. I love my friends, but their relationship advice is typically absolute sh*t so I figured I'd get more realistic advice on here. It feels like I got what I needed to hear.

No, she's the only one of the plates that's like this... all the others don't drink, don't smoke, are not very sexually active, and have very very few male friends. I've actually never messed with a girl like this before...

Thanks for the replies guys, I needed a good kick in the ass. No more "dates" and I'll aim to make her a f*ck buddy at best
 

Blue Phoenix

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This girl is probably a Player. If she hangs out with a lot of guys it means she probably knows how to "please a man" as she may have been instructed by those men.
 

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Yeah OK said:
... all my friends absolutely LOVE this girl to death and tell me I should get more serious about her. They think we'd make the "perfect couple."
If your friends think she's so wonderful...why aren't THEY trying to get her in a relationship???

Because they know they can't take her home to Mom.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Warrior74

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WaterTiger said:
If your friends think she's so wonderful...why aren't THEY trying to get her in a relationship???

Because they know they can't take her home to Mom.
LOL. Exactly. Perfect couple in that they think she's a slut and you're a chump. She's a very kinky girl, the kind you don't take home to mama - Rick James Super Freak! lol.
 

K2000kidd

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I'm with Amoka on this one
if you're spinning plates and this "one girl"
has you asking advice about her behavior in a forum
Drop her as a plate all together.

You've already gotten too attached
 
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