"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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she dropped me, few possible reasons why...

LoneWolf

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that girl i was seeing for 2 months? yeah, she was meant to come over today which was her idea. but i had a feeling her mind changed over the weekend. i knew something was off anyway so i seen it coming... i just wanted to stay with her for more sex. i admit i did have feelings for her too. i think i just liked the idea of being in love and having a girlfriend. cause i have never been in a good long term relationship before. i'm always getting involved with flings and one nighters. so bored of it.

anyway she called during the day and i acted cool the whole time and she said

her: "hey how was the job interviews?

me: yeah blah blah was good blah blah."

her: *stuttering* i dont think.. i can see you... anymore."

i knew she felt bad for saying it.

me: "okay... thats cool, good that you called and told me."

her: "i had fun and all, i enjoyed being with you but i dont think it was gonna work, you're a nice guy and all but we were trying to make something happen that couldnt."

something along the lines of that anyway. great. the nice guy line.

me: "naw its fine, im glad you told me.. i had fun too, it was good. enjoy your life and i'll see you. goodbye."

her: "ok..... bye"

i texted her after saying "oh come get your laptops. i dont need it." because she gave me broken laptops and i fixed it and i told her i didn't want them before and she could take it back. she texted back saying to keep them and that was that. i won't be contacting her again. it's the end :)

i didn't take it too well but i accepted it. i knew from the start we would not last long. she's way too busy for me and she's just different. when we were together it was so awesome though, like in love n stuff. great sex too! i admit i was maybe too nice at times, i would often act like i was in love with her always giving her a massage and playing with her hair while she was lying on my bed. i was too romantic for her. that's just me though, i'm very affectionate. i liked holding her hand when going for walks, touching her and all that. she won't find another guy like me. her loss. she was a very busy girl too, she went to the gym, played basketball, softball, went out with friends all the time, started martial arts recently... all that crap, i found it hard to keep up with her. only got to see her once a week. rarely kept in contact. why did she introduce me to her friends and parents, let me stay over n all that. was kinda false hope there. but whatever.

now the reasons i really think she stopped seeing me was:

* she has no time for relationships, shes too young (23) has too many hobbies and a busy lifestyle to make room for a man. she even told me at one stage "gosh ur taking up all my weekends" with a smile of course

* even her twin sister told me she had a bf not long ago but also ended it cause she doesnt wanna be in a relationship. so i guess same applies to this girl.

* she met someone else (i dont think so but its possible) seeing how busy her lifestyle is i dont think she has time for guys

* im job hunting and i dont drive (personal reasons)

* i was too nice ? (she was excited at first and got bored of me) she does that with everything. gets bored easy (just like her star sign says)

that's about all i can think of.

so now it's time to start seeing another girl who i have on the side. already arranged something later this week. she wanted to hook up but knew i had a girl so nothing happened between us. maybe i'll try my luck with her now.

so... another girl has broken my heart. oh boy.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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She saw your no longer a mystery she discoverd you so thats why she let you trying to discover something new.But its good that you moving awy and about the laptops sell them or throw them.She thinks that she can come sometime later just to have you as n option thats why she let the laptops ther.
 

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I noticed two things: 1) During the final conversation, in trying to play it cool you didn't even try to salvage the relationship or show that you the relationship was of any value. Who knows, maybe she was just testing you (maybe) and just want to see some investment.

2) You said at the very beginning that you knew it wouldn't work out so that might have contributed to the break up in a "self fulfilling prophecy" kinda way.

But as they say every end is a new beginning.
 

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I actually don't think you did anything particularly wrong here, this is just one of those situations where it was always going to be this way, she's not looking for anything other than what happened, it ran its course for her

There isn't always a solid "reason"
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I feel you

y0, I feel you bro. I appreciate you helping me in my thread earlier this week. You know, not too long ago I was a naive fool. I believed men should be able to control their emotions. That over time, we wont be able to get hurt by stuff like this. But you know what? I was wrong. I met this girl earlier this year and I randomly fell for her. She was suppose to be a FB....She fell for me first, but I am the same as you. I too was sick of flings and one nighters. I am affectionate too and it seemed I was overly affectionate and ended up losing her. The burning passion burned me to the ground. Its great and fun to love and feel loved. It really opened my eyes. I soon after realized that no one can control their emotions, they can only control their reaction to their emotions (break something, hit someone, hurt themselves, move on, etc).

In all honestly, I have a feeling she'll be back though. They always come back. Whether you want her back or not, she's going to distance herself, but be hesitant about it, she already sounds it from the like of things.

I wouldn't think about it too much though. About her reasons as to why (unless they're clear as day) because when heart broken, I notice its common to dwell on negative ideas like worse case scenario type things and it doesn't help.

I really know how it feels man. I was devastated and I'm still sort of recovering. Good shi't on taking it so well. You're the man. Keep on having fun and I hope you find a great chick that appreciates you.
 

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Don't drive yourself crazy man. Most new relationships only last 8 weeks. Heartbreak always sucks, but it's what makes us feel human.
 

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this is true about 8 weeks, its a very common timespan - its usually around this time that the dude sort of begins to get "comfortable" and its also around this time that reality about the other person starts to intrude and they realize you are kind of a bit boring (this obviously happens both ways but in general i think girls realize this earlier than dudes because dudes idealize girls more)

this is also why girls want to see dudes less frequently than the other way round, its sort of like they subconsciously realize the dude is going to end up being boring so try and put that moment off and have the dreamy bit for longer. dudes tend not to realize this and want to see girls as often as possible, not realizing they're just hastening the end of it, because the girl will realize they are kind of boring a lot earlier than they would have done otherwise
 

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thanks for the replies guys, always helps.

for some reason i actually don't feel that bad anymore. i got over it fast. i just pumped up some music and i feel better. and at least i got THREE laptops for free (they were broken but i fixed them - i'm a comp tech) :D

i can tell you i wasn't ever in love or anything with this girl, it was more of the idea i had of having a girlfriend that got me hooked.. that and the sex was really good. i never saw a future with her because of how different we both were. i feel like a little weight has been lifted off me because i was worse when i was with her, always wondering this and that.

now just for future reference, what if she does contact me again? i wouldn't mind fuking her casually.. would that be a bad idea? that is IF SHE contacts me again. i am deleting her number anyway.

thanks guys.
 

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I figured she was gonna give you the 'ol heave-ho after she ditched you this weekend. I bet her "friend" she saw this weekend was another guy. She waited to get rid of you until after she had the other guy secure. Lots of women do that you know. From reading your stories you seem too nice more like a push over that women dont like to have around that long. Not driving would be a problem having her be your chauffeur all the time. Nothing that a new attitude and a better girl won't fix. Toughen up there and you will be fine. She dumped you I don't think she would be interested in anymore casual sex since she has another man.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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LoneWolf said:
for some reason i actually don't feel that bad anymore. i got over it fast. i just pumped up some music and i feel better. and at least i got THREE laptops for free (they were broken but i fixed them - i'm a comp tech) :D
Good. Spin negative things into positive ones.


now just for future reference, what if she does contact me again? i wouldn't mind fuking her casually.. would that be a bad idea? that is IF SHE contacts me again. i am deleting her number anyway.
This.
 

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has anyone ever tried to successfully get casual sex off a girl who dumped you? i probably should of said that on the phone? "how about we keep i casual, no strings... just some good sex!" cause we did have some crazy good sex and i wouldn't have a problem with some sex and kick her out. done it plenty times in the past. or would that just be a bad idea? she was the best sex i ever had.
 

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lol well i did it anyway. i told her it would be a shame to end the magic so soon, how about we keep it casual, no strings. just some good ol sex.

she replied saying "hey, i am in no way denying the great sex but i dont want something casual and ur just not the guy for me. im sorry."

ahh well, like i said, even i knew from the start we weren't the best match, the sex was honestly the only good thing coming from what we had. prolly a dumb AFC move but i figured what have i got to lose. that is the end.
 

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LoneWolf said:
lol well i did it anyway. i told her it would be a shame to end the magic so soon, how about we keep it casual, no strings. just some good ol sex.

she replied saying "hey, i am in no way denying the great sex but i dont want something casual and ur just not the guy for me. im sorry."

ahh well, like i said, even i knew from the start we weren't the best match, the sex was honestly the only good thing coming from what we had. prolly a dumb AFC move but i figured what have i got to lose. that is the end.
Yeah uh, much like all things with women, you don't just come out and bluntly say it.

She might have been happy to bang you after a week or two of no contact...after she realizes that she's horny and bored.

That's usually when girls call or text talking about "I didn't want things to end this way. Let's meet for a drink." And of course "a drink" usually means getting drunk as an excuse for no strings attached sex.

But now that you've approached the subject with the subtlety of a grenade, I think it's fair to say that this is over.
 

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LoneWolf said:
lol well i did it anyway. i told her it would be a shame to end the magic so soon, how about we keep it casual, no strings. just some good ol sex.

she replied saying "hey, i am in no way denying the great sex but i dont want something casual and ur just not the guy for me. im sorry."

ahh well, like i said, even i knew from the start we weren't the best match, the sex was honestly the only good thing coming from what we had. prolly a dumb AFC move but i figured what have i got to lose. that is the end.
Fred_Scuttle said:
I figured she was gonna give you the 'ol heave-ho after she ditched you this weekend. I bet her "friend" she saw this weekend was another guy. She waited to get rid of you until after she had the other guy secure. Lots of women do that you know. From reading your stories you seem too nice more like a push over that women dont like to have around that long. Not driving would be a problem having her be your chauffeur all the time. Nothing that a new attitude and a better girl won't fix. Toughen up there and you will be fine. She dumped you I don't think she would be interested in anymore casual sex since she has another man.


I've read some of his postings. Not sure why he even bothers to ask us for any advice. We tell him what to do but he doesn't listen to any of us. He thinks he has all the answers and just does what he wants. Since he has all the answers to his problems then why ask for advice? Everything that I told him in his postings turned out to be correct but he didn't listen to me. He did what he wanted to do anyway. He found that out for himself the hard way.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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