"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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She doesn't want to have sex because she "doesn't know me well enough."

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The whole "I don't know you well enough" is BS! I fvckd this girl I was seeing for a little bit, and after we finished, she told me "I can't believe I let you fvck me, I barley even know you."

As you can see, it's not about how well a girl knows you. You just gotta seduce the girl. Get her all wet where she can't resist.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Korrupt said:
Okay, the only reason I am still putting up with this girls sh!t is because I don't have any other options at this time.
Well, at least we're being honest now. NEXT.


BBbardot said:
actually no:)
please just argue what i said. Not the person. Why are you unable to do so? i don't get it.
Let me see if I can rephrase this so as not to offend your youthful idealism; Please consider that the very short "relationship" you think represents "how things REALLY are" is based solely on your own brief experiences since you were maybe, 14? Don't take that as a burn on you personally, think of it as a statement of fact. Try to think of it in terms of limited experience rather than your age. If I'm a white belt in Karate, I'd be an idiot to give Karate advice to black belts even if was older.

BBbardot said:
you misunderstood me i'm not talking about negociation.
You weren't talking about negotiation because you lack the experience to recognize it when it's happening - just as it has in KORUPT's most recent exchange. Go back and read this girl's filibustering tactics, changing times and negotiating the terms of her intimacy with him.

BBbardot said:
IT's very passionate with my bf. I'm talking about how we fix things when a conflic comes up.
Your personal experience doesn't set the model for reality. I realize that as with most women, in your self-concern you'd like your own experience to define reality, and have us all be co-opted into it. That may be how you perceive it, others don't.

BBbardot said:
Everybody knows that in a passionate couple conflicts do come up. And it's about how to go throught it as effiviently as possible and ACTUALLY fixing the problem, not just working on getting it's own way.
I really wish it were that simple. I really wish it were so simple that the process of negotiating desire wouldn't affect that desire. Do you honestly think that the girl KORUPT is describing here, after all her bullsh!t, actually has the rational capacity to identify, much less amicably 'solve' the problem of him wanting to ƒuck her? They're not a "passionate couple".
 

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Korrupt said:
Around 9 I get a call saying that instead of just leaving her friends place, she hasn't even gone and now wants to know if I want to come over around f*cking 12 and spend the night. I tell her maybe and that I'll let her know. I also tell her that we should have just scheduled for another day if she's got all this sh!t going on. She asks if tomorrow (Wednesday) is good, I tell say "maybe" and she replies "I'll talk to you later Korrupt," and hangs up the phone. What a f*cking kunt.
You're an idiot. She sets up a booty call and you give her crap for it? What's a matter with you?

As for the rest of the crap with her jerking you around, it's your fault for not leading. YOU tell her when you're coming over, YOU tell her when you're going to hang out. YOU TAKE THE LEAD. When you don't you end up being reactive and get tooled like a fool. She's not acting like anything, she's just meandering because you haven't taken the reigns away from her and set things straight.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Well, at least we're being honest now. NEXT.




Let me see if I can rephrase this so as not to offend your youthful idealism; Please consider that the very short "relationship" you think represents "how things REALLY are" is based solely on your own brief experiences since you were maybe, 14? Don't take that as a burn on you personally, think of it as a statement of fact. Try to think of it in terms of limited experience rather than your age. If I'm a white belt in Karate, I'd be an idiot to give Karate advice to black belts even if was older.



You weren't talking about negotiation because you lack the experience to recognize it when it's happening - just as it has in KORUPT's most recent exchange. Go back and read this girl's filibustering tactics, changing times and negotiating the terms of her intimacy with him.



Your personal experience doesn't set the model for reality. I realize that as with most women, in your self-concern you'd like your own experience to define reality, and have us all be co-opted into it. That may be how you perceive it, others don't.



I really wish it were that simple. I really wish it were so simple that the process of negotiating desire wouldn't affect that desire. Do you honestly think that the girl KORUPT is describing here, after all her bullsh!t, actually has the rational capacity to identify, much less amicably 'solve' the problem of him wanting to ƒuck her? They're not a "passionate couple".

no, you can't negociate desire! i just said in a post above that i posted in teh wrong thread!!! i said sorry
i thought it was the "how to punish a girl that go talk to her ex behind my back" thread
i know... i said i was sorry ^^


my answer to this thread we just be better at getting her hot/if she is frigid, drop her, find you some european girl, they have less trouble gettin naughty
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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IamJosan said:
As you can see, it's not about how well a girl knows you. You just gotta seduce the girl. Get her all wet where she can't resist.
exactly
 

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This is easy guys


next time she asks you to take her to a restaurant that does not have a combo list, or to buy her anything say I don't know you well enough.
 

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@Korrupt just run, run as fast as you can. IMHO you've already wasted way too much time with that :crazy: girl
 

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Well, I broke it off with the b!tch.

I actually decided to give her one more chance to redeem herself and actually show some sexual interest.. What a waste of my time.

Went to her place and once again, just like the last couple hangouts/dates we've had, she showed no sexual interest at all. She didn't even want to kiss. I tried everything short of putting a gun to her head and forcing her to f*ck me to get her horny. When I left I acted cold, got a text 5 minutes later saying "I can tell things didn't go the way you wanted them to. *Friend* has been over and is leaving soon so things will go back to normal." All I said was "No, we're done." Surprisingly I got a text back saying "Haha okay your loss. Sorry I didn't give you head tonight."

First three dates for awesome, the last few were f*cking horrible. The only thing I regret is not breaking it off sooner. Appreciate the advice from all in the topic.
 

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Well done. If it's any consolation, there is no better DHV than dumping a girl. My guess is you'll be hearing from her again, but that's a topic for another thread.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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