"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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she clings to me even though she has a bf..

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she latches onto me like a leach and put her arms around me right infront of her bf...why would someone do this kind of thing (i dont think she likes me we are just very good friends)

she will do it whether her bf is around or not

she does it when her bf is around or not and what i mean is rubs up against me and puts her arm around me and **** and tells me how much she loves me... (does this about twice a day att school)

and waht happen is she will see me and instantly run over and be like COME WATCH MY GAME TONITE while she is litteraly rubbing up against me...or ither times she will just ruin up put her arm around me and be like I LOVE YOU (MY NAME HERE)

errr
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You're a tool (for jealousy).
 

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as i metioned before it isnt just around her bf...its all the ****ing time she sees me
 

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Alright, you're a tool for his jealousy and her insecurity.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Alright, you're a tool for his jealousy and her insecurity.
k thnx

mods can close now

im srry i dont spend years readong books about how to get girls like you...its a good thing readoing books doesnt teach you ****...as we can see in the quoted post

MODS CLOSE PLZ
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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cr2 said:
k thnx

mods can close now

im srry i dont spend years readong books about how to get girls like you...its a good thing readoing books doesnt teach you ****...as we can see in the quoted post

MODS CLOSE PLZ
That's some serious disrepect dude. F'dA is very knowledgeable.

And since I'm suckered into this thread...

You're a tool, tools are meant to be used and put back.
 

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That's some serious disrepect dude. F'dA is very knowledgeable.

And since I'm suckered into this thread...

You're a tool, tools are meant to be used and put back.
why would she tool me??

1.she always calls first
2. as i said she doesnt say the REAL touchy stuff if its around her bf

idk but just explain to me your thinking?

btw ive known her for longer then she had her bf
 

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cr2: I agree that Fransico could've been a little less harsh on you, but don't get mad at him for telling you the truth. The fact that she does it right infront of her bf should tell you a lot. She could be doing it to:

a) get him jealous
b) get a reaction outta him
c) make you feel good
d) flirt, just to flirt
e) cuz she likes attention....big surprise

Point is, you say you guys are "really good friends." That equals, no sex, no hooking up and tons of emotional tampon hours. She could be attracted to you physically, but the fact that your her buddy, her pal, her tampon, kills any of the potential attraction she could have for you. There are two types of guys who have female friends.

The first type is the crowd your in right now. You talk to these "friends" on a regular basis, they might flirt with you a bit, but for the most part they think of you as one of their girl friends.

the second type is the crowd you should be in. They're the guys who have hung out with these girls before, there's some attraction there but they don't talk on the phone on a regular basis, they don't listen to her problems and they don't take her out. What does this get you? Everything! You can party with them, hook up with them and then go weeks without talking to them. Girls and guys usuallly aren't real friends (sure there are tons of guys and girls that are super close friends and its purely platonic). Its usually a case of we use to date, or she likes him but he likes someone else, or vice versa. Rarely if EVER is it a case of being super close friends for 5 years, then suddenly crossing the line into a relationship.

You should work on flirting with other girls and becoming that guy. Don't expect much from this chick and don't be her emotional tampon. Maybe don't the road you might get to bang her, but don't hold your breath on that one.




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i have to intervine here for more than one reason.

first off, you came here, looking for an answer to your apparant problem, then when the answer isn't what you wanted to hear, that she likes you and she secretly wants you dispite she has a BF, you disrespect everyone in site.

And then you wonder WHY she is using you (whcih was the correct answer, you are being used)... why would she want someone as insecure as you ovbiously are?


and that's not a slight against you.. it's the truth. first off, you should have your own **** going on in life whereas you don't have time to be her "FRIEND" to the point where you get to talk to her that damn much around her during or after school.

Secondly, do you honeslty think her BF is jealous? I don't.. every wonder what she tells your BF about you while she is getting ****ed in the ass by him?

just because she doesn't say "touchy" stuff around HIM doesn't mean she doesn't like him.. hell you don't know what he knows..

from the sound of it, she sees you as a good friend, who she knows has a crush on her and uses it to her advantage whenever she can
 

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You guys are spot on. All in all it comes down to one thing, which one of the two is she dating.

Oh, and to ease any hurt feeling, I meant 'tool' as a mechanism to accomplish a desired result... ;)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It's pretty close-minded to answer the question firmly when there could be a million posibilities. Even though i agree with the general answer, there could be other reasons. We don't know, we can only depend on what he says. If he would have said that the BF is a b1tch and he is not really close friends with her it would be completely different.
 

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she calls me/msgs me every day??? she will always come up to me whenever she sees me no matter who she is with?? she says i am one of the only people she trusts???

she isnt useing me i know this..i know when people are using me...
 

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listen to yourself, at the beginning of the post you wanted to know why your "friend" was acting "strage", now you have practically admitted that you want to get confirmation that she insterested in yourself..

well, are you really that sure about all of this.. there are only two options, she is using you or she isn't. Hundreds of combined years and probably thousands of lays say she is, but you say she isn't.. and you might be right, but if you are that confident, why even post?

again, listen to us NOW, or listen to us LATER, but turst me, people that have been here as long as I have, have been though what I have been though (just do a search on my name, I've been where you are and then some), save yourself some hearache, learn from my/our mistakes, she IS using you.. if you have to find out for yourself, fine, no skin off my back but don't say we didn't warn you.
 

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cr2 said:
she calls me/msgs me every day??? she will always come up to me whenever she sees me no matter who she is with?? she says i am one of the only people she trusts???

she isnt useing me i know this..i know when people are using me...
dude, shes using you, havent you been reading? i was in the same situation, i used to say the same thing "oh, shes not using me, blah, blah, blah" i'm still friends with this chick, but i dont play her little games anymore. If she puts her arm around you, take it off, she grabs at your hand, pull it away. Hugs....ok, everyone likes hugs. Oh, and dont take her saying "i love you" as anything serious, i've been told by a chick that she would just walk up to a random guy on the street and say she loved him for whatever reason (he looked good, smelled good, whatever). quit being ingnorant and listen to these guys, they know what they are talking about
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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brenbaus said:
dude, shes using you, havent you been reading? i was in the same situation, i used to say the same thing "oh, shes not using me, blah, blah, blah" i'm still friends with this chick, but i dont play her little games anymore. If she puts her arm around you, take it off, she grabs at your hand, pull it away. Hugs....ok, everyone likes hugs. Oh, and dont take her saying "i love you" as anything serious, i've been told by a chick that she would just walk up to a random guy on the street and say she loved him for whatever reason (he looked good, smelled good, whatever). quit being ingnorant and listen to these guys, they know what they are talking about
shes been my good friend for about a year and a half before she ven knew this guy???

and it was the same before she new him??

does this help??
 

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no... my old oneitis I have known since I was 13, I am now 23 and at the time when she became HOT and I wanted her I was 17.. she told me she was attracted to me but didn't want a relationshipo at the time, only to date someone 6 months later when she turned 18, in that instance I knew her about 5 years before her last REAL BF.

dude, just cut ties, move on.. if she wants to get with you she will make it known, don't waste time with her, spend it on yourself
 

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k w.e i will choose to find out "the hard way" then...its not taht i dont belive your opinions are correct, its that i think they are total bull****..i ask myself why i even asked complete strangers in there first place...i mean its not like they are actauly in my situation or no exactly whats going on

if a mod would please close this before i go insane i would be much aprechtive
 

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don't go hating on us.

I was in the same situation. I had a oneitis of five years and she would tell me all these sweet things, but I just kept getting d!cked over. Believe me, I know your situation more than you would like to admit.

I decided to get away from her, and you know what she dropped me like a ten pound hammer. Just try to spend less time with her at least for quite a bit of time and go after other girls.

Trust me, if you get a new girl than you would probably find out two things. She does not sh!t gold and there are probably a lot of better girls out there.

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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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