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HEY! THEY ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH YOUR VALUES!Wyldfire said:
If you don't have any suggestions on how to game this then bow out and call it quits...
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
She called me cheap and "too aggressive"!
- Thread starter Broham
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If you don't have any suggestions on how to game this then bow out and call it quits...
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Wyldfire said:
Lots of girls feel this way, which is exactly why all dates you go on early in a relationship should cost a maximum of maybe 10 dollars. When it's time to pay, don't make a big deal about it. Some girls like to feel to independent, so they'll offer to pay half or whatever. Accept it. Others won't. That's fine, too. But always go in assuming you'll pay, and choose a date in a place that correlates with you price range. In most cases, this means don't take her to f*cking dinner.
The last thing you want to do is ask her for money, without warning, when it's time to pay.
Money is not a real issue on a date, so choose less expensive venues where the focus is the actual date, and she won't care how much you're spending.
squirrels said:
Thank you...someone who actually understands what a damn date is and how a gentleman behaves. Unfortunately, some of the guys on here are under the impression that you have to be a complete and total pr*ck to avoid being taken advantage of. They seem so afraid of failing that they behave in a way that is only going to allow them to hold on to the trashiest women out there...who will ultimately cheat on them or hurt them anyhow. It's a messed up self-fulfilling prophecy.
I agree, if money is even an issue. The best option is choosing a date that is well within your price range.Wyldfire said:
But in some cases, you're right. For instance, last summer, I took a girl to an amusement park for a second date. Tickets cost $30. When we made the plans, I mentioned in some subtle yet obvious way that I expected her to pay.
Espi said:
No, I don't refuse to go out with a guy who expects me to pay and I've repeatedly said that. You are NOT reading my posts. I said if I like the guy and he asks me if I can pay my own way when he asks me out or after I accept his invitation...if I can afford it I don't mind paying my way at all. What I DID say is that if I got to dinner and THEN, when we are already out he asks for separate checks I WILL leave his arse sitting there by himself and not ever see him again. Why? Because he didn't have the balls or consideration for me to tell me ahead of time that he wanted me to go dutch. That is why I would leave and would immediately next him...for NOT being up front with me.
In one post you are saying that you aren't going to pay. In the next post you admit that girls assume you are going to pay or they won't go out with you. If they wouldn't have gone out with you if you asked them to go dutch they sure as hell aren't every going to go out with you again after they get to dinner and you don't pay for the date.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Problem 1 Meeting a girl on MySpace.Broham said:
Problem 2 Taking said girl to a restaurant on the second date, when you have intentions of a committed relationship.
Problem 3 Leaving beer at her house
Yeah, that situation sucks, and the girl sounds like she sucks at life, but you tripped right into it. Live and learn.
Where did I say men should only be courteous, show etiquette and manners to only women? I didn't. Men and women shoule ALL treat people (regardless of gender) with common courtesy. People should use proper etiquette and manners. That is called having class. People with class are shown far more respect in life than people without class.ksoileau said:
Do you sit next to your co workers and rip ass intentionally and smirk at them? I would hope not.
Do you go into a business meeting, pick your nose and wipe it onto the boss's sleeve? No, you don't.
If you are going to be a few days late with rent, do you tell your landlord he'll get his damn money when you feel like it?
If you borrow your mother's car and empty the tank do you leave it empty?
These are examples of rude, discourteous and classless behavior. Each of these behaviors would have consequences. The situation with how the original poster treated the girl he went out with twice is another example...and there was a consequence to that as well...she didn't answer his calls and doesn't want to see him anymore because his behavior lacked class.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I think that's the bottom line here. Ignore all the other crap being put forth in this thread.S1NN3R said:
It's wrong for a woman to expect it, but i think it's also wrong for anyone to be so damn anal about it. She didn't eat a whole horse.
...or did she?
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there's a difference between a gentleman and and woman, biatch. Try look up the word gentleman in the dictionary. You will see that not only gentleman and biatch are different from each other, they are complete opposite as well.
go figure.
go figure.
Wyldfire, why do you continiously spread these feminist ideals on here? Do people not get enough of it in regular soceity that they need to hear it from you? Why is it that when 2 consenting adults have sex, you say that she did something "nice" for him, but you don't say he did something nice for her? Women like sex you know.Wyldfire said: